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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8

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1947 the army air forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year 1985

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318 days into the new year only 47 days

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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church what is kraken

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considering uh how's everybody doing

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black very excited for everyone that we

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have lined up tonight we have a very

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special guest paul h smith joins us for

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that's right that's tonight i cannot

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tonight tomorrow night

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actor comedian

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show you guys this this is hilarious

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right before let me show you my call log

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this is my call log okay at 6 59

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machines and and things okay so i've got

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always fun right okay but we're walking

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triple she's got the blue seven

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dollars and the rings past 200 there's a

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i can't repeat what she said but it was

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really cool yeah 720 bucks it was

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awesome it was awesome so uh i did i did

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post that up and that was the start

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of uh the weekend it was incredible look

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at carrie's face she's in shock

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it there's a double uh a blue seven and

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and uh it was uh very very cool so

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um and just a long

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of fader knots and it was so awesome

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uh to go out with everybody uh each

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about that in just a bit uh you can

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and uh follow me right there on twitter

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the sandbox is hashtag f2b right there

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and uh we don't bite so just come over

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and hang out with us let's get to the

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breaking news this is pretty nuts uh

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this uh story broke today i almost

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was satire it's crazy

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confirmed that a russian anti-satellite

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tested today

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and was responsible for causing a debris

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field in space that forced astronauts

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to temporarily seek shelter

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the state department spokesman ned price

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told reporters that russia had

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recklessly conducted a destructive

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satellite test of a direct ascent

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anti-satellite missile against one of

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russia's own satellites earlier today

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u.s space command warned of a debris

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generating event that happened in space

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other countries to help ensure the

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of their equipment in orbit

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the debris field forced astronauts and

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cosmonauts aboard the station to seek

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in their crew dragon and soyuz

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how nuts is that in case they had to

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ship that is absolutely nuts

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a mysterious sun temple

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years has been found buried in the

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egyptian desert archaeologists unearthed

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the ancient remains in abu ghraib 10

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miles south of cairo in what is being

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called as the biggest discovery in

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it is one of six sun temples believed to

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of which only two have ever been found

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they were built uh while the pharaohs of

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were still alive

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all done to grant them the status

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of god

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absolutely incredible all right also

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announced today

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starting to go down

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founder alex jones

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have won a case against him after a

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judge ruled against jones who had failed

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to comply

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with the discovery process

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jones and entities owned by him

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were found liable by default

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today

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in the defamation case against him

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he was being sued by families of sandy

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hook victims in both texas and

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connecticut courts

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over his past claims that the 2012 mass

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shooting was staged he has since

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acknowledged that the shooting

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was real

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the case will now proceed to a hearing

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absolutely incredible

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a status conference is scheduled for

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this wednesday

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wow

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moving on

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let's get this show cracking happy

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birthday to today

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abba's annie freed langstad today

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is 76.

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all right i'm gonna say it again

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nickelbacks chad kroger

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oh man

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today is 47.

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yeah actually did it i couldn't help

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myself i i i i couldn't our dead guy's

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birthday today

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is tony thompson

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1954 to 2003 died at the age of 48. tony

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was one of the great drummers

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of a generation playing it at first with

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chic

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on the hits like le freak

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good times that's tony thompson

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sister sledge

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right we are family

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that's tony thompson

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i'm coming out with diana ross

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that's tony thompson

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after that it was tony playing on the

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drums on

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madonna's first album

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and all of those hits you know like like

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a virgin that's tony thompson

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material girl and then and tony then

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went on to uh work with rod stewart

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power station and david bowie

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three days after his 49th birthday

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uh before

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tony died on november 12 2003 in los

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angeles within a month

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of being diagnosed with kidney cancer

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and two months after the death of his

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power station bandmate lead singer

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robert palmer

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who just died of a heart attack

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incredible happy birthday tony thompson

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on this day in history

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1965

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at the bonneville salt flats in utah

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a 28 year old craig breedlove

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sets the land speed record at

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600.6 miles an hour in his car

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the spirit of america incredible

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fader fact

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in 1992

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six visitors to a dinosaur exhibition at

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the memphis zoo

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demanded their money back

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they wanted a refund

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after discovering the exhibition

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did not contain

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living

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dinosaurs

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that

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is your favorite fact

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tonight it is the beginning

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of another first time guests week here

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on fade to black tonight it's paul h

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smith joining us

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obviously for the first time to discuss

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his career as a remote viewer

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for stargate

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tomorrow night actor steve berg i just

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spent

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morning noon and night uh the last four

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nights uh with steve berg he's

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absolutely hilarious

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totally cool and totally dedicated to

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the ufo so we're going to be discussing

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all of that tomorrow night wednesday

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night sarah bresman cosme joins us for

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the first time and thursday night she's

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going to help us prepare

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for contact thursday night

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is the world premiere of the observers

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if you want to check out the trailer and

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pre-order the film

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the links are below in the description

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box we've got it up throughout social

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media and i will hit everybody with more

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links tomorrow but that's it thursday

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night november 18th the world premiere

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of the observers

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all right

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let me hit this

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rivermoonwellness.com

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all right

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what a great weekend

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it was

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perfect

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i just got back from laughlin nevada

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and

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that all just happened a couple of hours

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ago it is 7 19 p.m

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uh

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and

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the

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kicking off thursday night it was just

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so cool had so much fun

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and uh we went in and sat down uh to

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dinner

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with uh you know a large group of

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friends and uh of course stacy with an i

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uh stacy herrick uh thank you

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stacy worked so hard uh this weekend and

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for the last year

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uh to put this conference together with

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paula harris and uh so thursday night

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uh we got together with stacy and all of

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the uh

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the mcs and the talent

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uh for the show to sit down for dinner

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and we got to walk in and we for them

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like

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she just busted a slot

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right there for 720 bucks walking to

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dinner that's how you do it man that's

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how you do it anyway

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so uh but what a great dinner uh we had

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uh with everybody and you could just

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tell

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the vibe and what was going on it was a

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total prelude uh to the weekend it was

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an incredible weekend but dovetailing or

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book uh uh

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bookending

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that start on thursday

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i said earlier that i've got hundreds of

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images and i've got video

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um that i have to go through and and i

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will and i'll start to get things up but

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00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,320
some of the things

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uh that i'm about to talk about right

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now a few things have been posted up on

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social media i wanted to hold it all

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back and including the video

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um i've got to do a quick edit and get a

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couple of uh videos spliced together but

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for a couple different phones i have

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everything

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and i'll get that up

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okay so everybody relax

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i'll get to it

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00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:28,799
but last night

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after the conference ended

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we got a large group of friends together

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for a sky watch

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at grape vine canyon

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okay

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and i've heard about grapevine canyon

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over the last couple of years

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um if things got halted uh a couple of

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years ago from this thing called covid

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and things got postponed and and we had

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planned to sky watch a bit grapevine

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canyon and the petroglyph site there

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uh for a while now well last time we

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finally i did at least

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00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,760
got to go up there and so we get this

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group together and it was it was awesome

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to have uh there's group shots up in

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twitter

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and see how many people we got up there

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after the conference and i was very

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happy about that

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and

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uh

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the sky watch part of it was great

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okay it was

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one event happened uh during the sky

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watch i'll get to that in a second but

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before that got started

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um a great vine canyon by the way is

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it's it's right there it's like

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six miles outside of laughlin before

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your car gets warmed up you're already

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there right in the middle of the desert

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and uh i i just couldn't believe how how

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how close it was

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it's six miles you know six minutes

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literally

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so uh

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uh we get there

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and we pull in

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and uh there's a parking area below and

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we probably had ten cars

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uh lined up i thought okay this is great

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so i get out there's nobody there and uh

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well melinda leslie is standing there

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hello melinda

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and by the way

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melinda can party i'm just gonna say

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that right now so anyway um

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i said where is everybody she goes

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they're up at the petroglyphs

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and

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we looked i don't i've never been there

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you know i don't know and i'm with uh

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michael mazzola i hope michael's

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listening right now

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and uh we look up the hill and i could

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see the flashlight i could see

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well you know and we we take off and we

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head up the hill and and

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without getting into crazy details right

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now

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ultimately this is what happened we get

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up hike up get up and and everybody's i

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just look around

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everybody is there

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everybody all

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all my friends and stuff and it was so

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00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:03,279
cool to experience this we were there

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for sky watch we ended up uh

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becoming uh archaeologists

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and we start looking at these images and

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00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,919
the petroglyphs are everywhere in this

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canyon

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um

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00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,559
[Music]

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00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,399
ginormous

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00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:20,640
beautiful and it's just like everywhere

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00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,679
i i had a flashlight of course

541
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,279
and it's

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00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,360
whoa

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00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,000
so after doing all of that shooting

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00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,120
video and and and trying to figure out

545
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:35,279
because there was a story being told

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00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,080
here and you could tell

547
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,320
something was happening

548
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,120
in the story there was a story

549
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,039
in these petroglyphs

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00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:47,600
and and i'm no expert this is the first

551
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,640
time i've ever seen petroglyphs this is

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00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:52,720
it i've been waiting for this we've all

553
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,360
seen petroglyphs we've all seen images

554
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,360
over the years but this is the first

555
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,039
time that i've ever been able to see

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00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,279
things for myself for the first time and

557
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,240
it was a total life-changing experience

558
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,159
to see something that is probably

559
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,399
thousands of years old

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00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:11,039
right that has survived millennia of

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00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:12,799
weather and things

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00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,000
it's just it's just life-changing so we

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00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,480
go through all and as we come down off a

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couple of

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00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,000
fade or not stragglers head to the left

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and they're up and they find another set

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00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,039
so we we go up

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00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,440
uh and and look and that's when we saw

569
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,520
this i can't explain it looks like an

570
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:33,039
astronaut to me

571
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:36,399
uh helmeted dude and we see him and next

572
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,840
to him was this

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00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:39,440
dna

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00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,480
like three foot

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00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,640
long next to the

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00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,120
astronaut guy is this

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00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,600
it's dna

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and then above that as everybody's

579
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:54,880
heading up they're looking at more

580
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:58,799
petroglyphs i find to the left a cave

581
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,159
entrance

582
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:02,640
we couldn't get to that but we could see

583
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it

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00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,159
too dangerous and this is at night but

585
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,039
to the right of that is another cave

586
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,279
they find that

587
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,600
and uh and they're crawling jimmy you

588
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:15,919
gotta come up and i was like oh man

589
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:18,480
i'm not going into a cave

590
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for any reason

591
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,360
but not in the dark for sure and uh they

592
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:29,360
talk me i go up and i kind of take a

593
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:31,279
peek in

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and i go for it

595
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:35,200
i have to get down and crawl and go

596
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,120
through this entrance and then stand up

597
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:39,200
upright inside of this cave and i'm

598
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,559
looking around and we've got video

599
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,880
there's petroglyphs on all the walls

600
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it's a cave

601
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:48,559
and

602
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:52,720
my mind has never been so blown

603
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,799
um crazy and the cave walls are going up

604
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:59,120
there's this crevice it's like 30 feet

605
00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:00,080
high

606
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,679
and there were

607
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,559
drawings up at the top of this

608
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,640
and i've got it on video when you see it

609
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:08,720
uh with the flashlight you see how high

610
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:11,440
up obviously somebody's shimming up

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00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,640
uh

612
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,360
somehow and and doing this and laying

613
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:18,000
down this incredible artwork

614
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,039
um and i you know and so

615
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,279
i climb out of the cave

616
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,120
with everybody else and i'm walking down

617
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,120
the hill and i thought to myself we were

618
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:28,960
all discussing the same thing

619
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,799
there's some kind of story here

620
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:34,960
it's like i

621
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:37,039
like creation

622
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,399
there's drawings of sperm there's this

623
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dna

624
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:44,320
there's this astronaut guy

625
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:45,520
there's a

626
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:47,840
crazy symbolism

627
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,080
i'm all over the place so we go back and

628
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,320
we do a little bit of research and you

629
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:54,159
can look it up yourself look up spirit

630
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:55,760
mountain nevada

631
00:31:02,789 --> 00:30:59,519
the great vine canyon petroglyphs

632
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:02,799
and we find out that the mojave indians

633
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:07,519
date back to 1100 a.d in this area 1100

634
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,880
a.d

635
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,480
but they don't lay claim to these

636
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:12,080
petroglyphs

637
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,120
their ancestors

638
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:20,720
don't know

639
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:25,360
but the description of them

640
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,919
from anthropologists and archaeologists

641
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:29,679
that have studied these

642
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,480
and it's a national historic site

643
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:34,320
but that

644
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,760
it's a creation story

645
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,760
and you read that

646
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,279
like that's exactly

647
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,360
that's exactly

648
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:45,600
what we were we we don't know but you

649
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:48,880
can see the symbolism you can see it you

650
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:50,240
can feel it

651
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,000
and they were telling us something

652
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:56,080
and then you read this that it's a

653
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,440
creation story done in three chapters

654
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,799
and there it is

655
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:02,960
it was incredible and and and we did

656
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,120
that last night for hours

657
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,519
uh climbing over these rocks and and

658
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:09,360
looking at things

659
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:10,240
and

660
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,080
there here we had this amazing weekend

661
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:16,880
and what we did and so much fun and then

662
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,240
we turned around and did that

663
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,240
it was insane

664
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,480
i've got so many pictures i've got video

665
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,399
i will get everything up over the next

666
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,120
couple of days i have got hundreds of

667
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:31,679
shots it's it's incredible there are

668
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:34,240
hundreds of petroglyphs there's 70

669
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,000
panels of petroglyphs in this canyon 70.

670
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:40,559
it's insane so much fun i'm yours jimmy

671
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:42,159
church i just got back from the star

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works usa

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laughlin ufo conference

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and my guest tonight is paul h smith

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remote viewer

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of stargate we're going to do all of

677
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that when i come back after this short

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break

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stay with us

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on the game changer radio network

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church first time

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guests week

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i love it when this happens

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00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,320
tonight paulie smith is with us

778
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:01,200
uh tomorrow night

779
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,000
actor comedian steve berg is here to

780
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,320
spend a weekend with him too as well and

781
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,960
then wednesday night sarah bressman

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cosme it's gonna be a great week and

783
00:38:16,829 --> 00:38:13,200
then thursday night of course

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is the world premiere of our movie on

785
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amazon and the observers and the links

786
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:23,200
for that are down below but uh that will

787
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,079
be

788
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happening on thursday night so we will

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have a world premiere live event with us

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00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:32,560
uh on on thursday night with uh uh lou

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00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,520
elizondo whitley strieber richard dolan

792
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:38,079
linda molten howe william henry's in

793
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egypt i don't think we're gonna get him

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i'm trying to

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um

796
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,119
john greenwald and and debbie cobble

797
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,440
and i think i might have uh

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uh uh

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the director of the film roger richards

800
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,480
with us and maybe even the executive

801
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:58,960
producer and another producer adrian

802
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,520
youngblood and leon kennedy it's going

803
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,680
to be great so that's going down

804
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,520
thursday night so we've got an amazing

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00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:07,119
week coming up on fade to black but

806
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,000
tonight

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00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:10,640
paul h smith is joining us for the first

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00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:11,440
time

809
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,320
and tonight uh i'm so looking forward to

810
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:16,880
this we're going to discuss his career

811
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:20,079
as a remote viewer for stargate

812
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,160
and i also want to do a little bit of uh

813
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,480
of conversation diving into what

814
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:29,680
disclosure is uh to the world right now

815
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and uh i'm gonna get into my reasons for

816
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:35,200
doing that in just a bit but for seven

817
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:40,000
years paul phd major us army retired now

818
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,119
was a psychic spy in the dod stargate

819
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:45,359
remote viewing program where he worked

820
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:47,839
as an operational remote viewer a

821
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:50,240
training instructor unit security

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00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,599
officer and unit historian a founder a

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00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,920
former president of the non-for-profit

824
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:57,680
uh international remote viewing

825
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,119
association he is ceo of remote viewing

826
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:03,920
instructional services inc his book

827
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,880
reading the enemy's mind which i have

828
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was a reader's digest book bonus feature

829
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,680
and editor's choice selection he also is

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00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,200
the author of the essential guide to

831
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:15,760
remote viewing and reading the enemy's

832
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:18,400
mind inside stargate america's psychic

833
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,440
espionage program as well as co-producer

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00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,400
of learn dowsing and remote perception

835
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,720
home study courses paul has been

836
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,119
interviewed many times by art bell and

837
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:31,839
george nori over on coast to coast a e

838
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,000
history channel travel channel discovery

839
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,160
cbs sunday morning and

840
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,520
i'm out of breath it is uh too long of a

841
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,200
cv there paul

842
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,680
and uh i'm just gonna jump straight to

843
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,119
it and say

844
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,359
welcome to fade to black my friend how

845
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,560
you doing

846
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,880
thank you and and count your blessings

847
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:53,119
because that was the short version

848
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:54,960
you know

849
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:58,880
what i enjoy doing um is editing bios

850
00:41:03,030 --> 00:40:59,760
back

851
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:03,040
so i can get through it right in one

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00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,079
breath

853
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,319
but i decided not to do that with you

854
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,880
and i wanted to see how far i could go

855
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:11,119
so i didn't get to rob lowe i didn't get

856
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:12,640
to

857
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:13,359
so

858
00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:18,000
uh welcome and and uh paul's uh channel

859
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:21,720
and um uh website or right there

860
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,640
jimmychurchradio.com what a crazy

861
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:26,800
weekend

862
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:29,119
i i have to say i made crazier because

863
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,000
you were there well you know okay okay

864
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,280
here's the deal lots of information lots

865
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:37,280
of great presentations you and i did a

866
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:39,520
panel together and all of that stuff

867
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,720
but

868
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,240
you and i

869
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,920
got to have lunch

870
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:46,000
with the jacques valet for three days in

871
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,119
a row

872
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,040
and uh

873
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:52,240
the conversations that you and jacques

874
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:54,800
and i had at that table

875
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:57,200
that should have been videotaped

876
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,560
right

877
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,040
i mean it was awesome it really was

878
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:03,760
and we and see this is this is what i

879
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:06,400
enjoyed about those conversations

880
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:07,440
is

881
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,640
we

882
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:09,839
uh

883
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:11,119
we

884
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:14,240
when you're in a freedom of thought

885
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:17,680
process over breaking bread

886
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,200
you just let it go right and and we did

887
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,160
and that was really cool to just get

888
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:25,920
into everybody's head

889
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:28,480
and and get opinions on things that that

890
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:29,520
was just

891
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,119
i i mean i learned a lot did you

892
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:35,680
yeah i learned as i always learned i

893
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:42,710
you know what was really great

894
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:45,599
is uh jacques has a

895
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:47,920
you and i are loud you and i are

896
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,200
boisterous you and i uh converse that

897
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,160
way jacques is the opposite a little bit

898
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,880
reserved very pragmatic very black and

899
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:59,440
white and soft-spoken

900
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:00,560
so

901
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:03,680
we had to just tone it down and and

902
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:04,720
listen

903
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,000
to to his words and he chooses them so

904
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,480
carefully and they're so deliberate

905
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,800
and and that was just awesome because it

906
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,960
just allowed me to to

907
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:17,359
to concentrate

908
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,880
well and and the great thing about

909
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,440
jacques is here we are all pontificating

910
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,440
and giving our different ideas and

911
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,200
theories and all that stuff

912
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,839
and then we realized oh

913
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,680
you know here's jacques valet we ought

914
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:31,040
to give him a chance to talk you know

915
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,079
and so we

916
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,319
kind of turned him and he proceeds to

917
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,560
just eviscerate everything that we were

918
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,720
pontificating about you know the guy's

919
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,480
brilliant he's absolutely brilliant and

920
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:41,920
very kind

921
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:42,800
but

922
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,400
very very very smart and and

923
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,839
wise

924
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,000
one of the things that he did over and

925
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,160
over again uh to the both of us and

926
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,800
others at the table too as well but

927
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,680
um

928
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:58,160
he chops you off at the knees with

929
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:59,359
kindness

930
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,319
but he'll say when he goes no

931
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:03,760
actually no

932
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,400
i disagree it's like

933
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:07,520
okay

934
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,030
am i gonna argue right

935
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,040
you just kind of gotta go with the flow

936
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,000
i remember uh i wanna move on uh to you

937
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:22,400
but there was there was a moment

938
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,680
um

939
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,760
in the middle of our conversation he got

940
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,359
up from the table

941
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:29,520
and walked away and i turned to you and

942
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:32,480
i said well i just chased jacquesville

943
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,599
he's out

944
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,119
and you remember that

945
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:37,119
and uh and he walks no that's not what

946
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:38,640
he did he went over and got a cup of

947
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,440
coffee and came back remember it sat

948
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,920
down and goes okay

949
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,520
let's let's go

950
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:47,760
yeah he he wanted to recharge so he

951
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:50,480
could take take us all on at once yeah

952
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,839
yeah no

953
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:53,839
and we should we should make it clear

954
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,640
that jacques is very

955
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,960
careful not to be

956
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,720
you know not to attack anybody and he

957
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,319
was very careful to

958
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,040
to explain things as he understood them

959
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,839
right and as we're listening to him

960
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:10,800
we realized he's got some insights and

961
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:13,359
he got some he's got some perspectives

962
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,800
that probably haven't occurred to

963
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:16,400
anybody else at the table

964
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,160
no and that's right and and you just

965
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:22,720
keep your ears open and learn something

966
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:25,359
but but here's the deal paul

967
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:26,800
you know he's

968
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:29,920
he's an alien you know this right

969
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:32,560
well do you remember in the uh in my

970
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:39,829
and uh that that that was the spirit of

971
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,040
the weekend

972
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,440
uh we had so much fun there was so much

973
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:45,599
information flying around and and for

974
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,240
everybody that was an attendee there uh

975
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:50,560
the energy level was high

976
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,920
uh listening to people uh cheer uh as

977
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:55,119
things were

978
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:58,560
were stated and and and not cheer right

979
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,839
also when when it's controversial and

980
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,760
they don't and that's the spirit of

981
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,000
knowledge in learning it was good it was

982
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,119
good pushing a lot of boundaries uh this

983
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:11,680
weekend extraordinary and

984
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:12,839
uh for

985
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,319
you when you get together and have these

986
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:18,319
um alternative

987
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,440
uh mindsets right everybody thinks on

988
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,480
their own and and thinks for themselves

989
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:26,880
there were the topic of the weekend that

990
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:30,319
just kept coming up was disclosure

991
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,520
that

992
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,079
just seemed like private conversations

993
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,480
uh their presentations discus you know

994
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:38,560
conversations at dinner

995
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,960
were all about disclosure

996
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:43,040
and

997
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,000
first

998
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:45,839
what did you make of that

999
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:48,880
and did it change maybe some of your

1000
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:51,920
world view on on what disclosure may be

1001
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,800
for everybody else

1002
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,400
i don't know if it changed my world view

1003
00:47:02,630 --> 00:46:59,200
i mean the disclosures this whole topic

1004
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:02,640
has been around for decades really

1005
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:03,839
and um

1006
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,480
and it's kind of evolved as to where it

1007
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:08,560
started where it's headed and and

1008
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,760
developed

1009
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:11,040
various

1010
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,640
aspects and

1011
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,880
disclosure isn't all just one thing when

1012
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:16,960
you get right down to it as are most

1013
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,680
topics in this in this field that none

1014
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:21,280
of them are all just one thing there are

1015
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:22,400
different perspectives different

1016
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,520
viewpoints and things i think what's

1017
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:27,920
what's been really interesting in terms

1018
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,400
of disclosure is what has actually been

1019
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:32,960
disclosed in just the last few years

1020
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,480
i mean

1021
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,280
so i was careful to make it clear that i

1022
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:39,040
am not a ufo

1023
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,240
uap

1024
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,480
et expert

1025
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,280
my expertise is kind of obtained from

1026
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:47,359
osmosis because of the people i know in

1027
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,240
the field which is a large number of of

1028
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:53,359
the really prominent folks uh and

1029
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:56,319
and so i have kind of picked all that up

1030
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,760
there's some other things too some which

1031
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:59,119
i can talk about some of which i can't

1032
00:48:05,750 --> 00:47:59,920
but

1033
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:05,760
involved in the ufo field as i go along

1034
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:06,800
and so

1035
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,680
i'm seeing a lot of these things come up

1036
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,599
some of which i already knew about but

1037
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,920
now becoming disclosed if you want to

1038
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,440
use that term

1039
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:17,200
but it's unfolding in a way that i think

1040
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,800
the people who've been lobbying for

1041
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,400
disclosure

1042
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,400
probably hadn't thought it would happen

1043
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,559
it would happen in this way right the

1044
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,920
government is

1045
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,160
developed a bit of humility here

1046
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,559
right and it's saying okay

1047
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,880
we do have some of this stuff we don't

1048
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,480
want to know what it is we're going to

1049
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,559
kind of turn some of this loose

1050
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,960
so that other you know it's kind of like

1051
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,720
where you have a problem you want to

1052
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,400
distribute it over a wide population of

1053
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,720
problem solvers because

1054
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,880
in aggregate they may actually be able

1055
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,720
to solve the problem that you can't

1056
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,800
solve right there in your lab hal put

1057
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,720
off who i'm really good friends with

1058
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,800
that's kind of the path he's taken he's

1059
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,000
got this

1060
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,760
um

1061
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,839
so i guess a very sophisticated

1062
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,400
laboratory facility in austin texas he's

1063
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,760
got in fact they built some

1064
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,760
instrumentation that's more sensitive

1065
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,359
than anything that was available at the

1066
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,960
time they built it

1067
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,960
and yet i'm talking one day and i said

1068
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:12,800
well what about you know like zero point

1069
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:15,760
and all that so where are you at in that

1070
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:16,400
and

1071
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,559
he said what we've done is we've

1072
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:21,119
outsourced a lot of this we have stated

1073
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,160
the problem

1074
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,000
we've shown this roadblock we've run

1075
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:26,480
into and we have essentially broadcast

1076
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:29,359
it around to all the other people who

1077
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:31,520
are smart thinkers in this to see if

1078
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,640
they can we can multitask and all

1079
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:36,319
together ultimately come up with a

1080
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:37,520
solution

1081
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,920
and at least to some extent that's where

1082
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:41,040
the government's going now when people

1083
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,319
say government

1084
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,000
it's not a monolithic thing and who

1085
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:46,240
knows all the little niches and all the

1086
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:47,520
little nooks and crannies that things

1087
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,000
are going on in right but ultimately i

1088
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:52,240
think disclosure is starting and it's

1089
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:54,079
unfolding in a way

1090
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:54,960
that

1091
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,880
isn't how it was expected to occur now

1092
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:00,640
if we go back

1093
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,400
uh and i'm go i'm going to to uh discuss

1094
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:05,839
your childhood

1095
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:09,280
but if we go back you know 30 40 50

1096
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,400
years

1097
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,640
and the way that

1098
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:15,280
uh certain things were perceived and i'm

1099
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,720
talking about

1100
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:17,920
physics

1101
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,200
uh merging into entanglement which is

1102
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,440
such a big word today but it's always

1103
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:25,520
been around uh you know

1104
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,960
uh since i'm einstein with uh special in

1105
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,000
general

1106
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,000
but that discussion has always been

1107
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:34,160
there amongst physicists

1108
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,640
um it's evolved so much and so quickly

1109
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,280
that your research and what you did back

1110
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,839
with stargate in the remote viewing

1111
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,040
program

1112
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:47,359
all of this stuff is connected

1113
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,559
if if if the the principles behind

1114
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:52,319
remote viewing

1115
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:55,520
and special and general relativity right

1116
00:51:04,630 --> 00:50:56,480
and

1117
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:04,640
once one of these dominoes falls right

1118
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:08,240
don't they all fall

1119
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,920
well i think it's a little too

1120
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,599
complicated to think that they'll all

1121
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,079
fall ultimately they may it it's

1122
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,400
probably more like unraveling a sweater

1123
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,640
right you pull on one thread right and

1124
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:20,160
you keep pulling on thread but it's a

1125
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:21,599
long time before the whole sweater is

1126
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:23,440
unraveled right

1127
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,400
so

1128
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,400
and there are obviously connections but

1129
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,079
there are huge gaps in our physics

1130
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,640
understanding and until those gaps get

1131
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,480
filled i don't think that whole sweater

1132
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:34,559
is going to come apart at least in the

1133
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,359
next

1134
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,440
decade shall we say or however long we

1135
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,440
want to put on but the fun part is

1136
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:41,680
unraveling the sweater and as we we

1137
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,319
learn new stuff all the time gradually

1138
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:46,319
we put these pieces together

1139
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:48,079
and you know ultimately we'll get the

1140
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:49,839
whole picture

1141
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:50,640
but

1142
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:54,160
teasing those little threads apart to

1143
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,200
see what we can learn were you able to

1144
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,280
discussing your childhood

1145
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:01,520
were you able to remote view like

1146
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:05,839
christmas presents at the age of five no

1147
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,000
well no let me say let me let me say

1148
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:10,480
this differently yes but i didn't know i

1149
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:14,160
could that's my point right yeah yes yes

1150
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:17,599
yes yes okay take us through that

1151
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:20,800
did you have an open-minded you know

1152
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,280
family that allowed you to have freedom

1153
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:25,040
of thought

1154
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,720
oh yeah i mean

1155
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:28,400
i'm one of a i'm the oldest of eight

1156
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:29,359
kids

1157
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:30,800
when you have parents who have eight

1158
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,760
kids

1159
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,280
there's absolutely

1160
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:35,359
no illusion of any capability of

1161
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:36,640
controlling what they're doing what

1162
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:37,760
they're thinking

1163
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,319
right my family actually my mom and my

1164
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:42,160
dad both encouraged us to look into

1165
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,240
things encouraged us to

1166
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,240
discover new things i was interested in

1167
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,240
esp as a kid and it came from reading

1168
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:49,920
science fiction and watching

1169
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:52,559
some of the tv shows and and old movies

1170
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,920
the old black and white movies and stuff

1171
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,040
you know

1172
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:56,880
and so i was interested in esp and they

1173
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,440
didn't care they were fine with that

1174
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,440
um

1175
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,520
you know so yeah i had a very

1176
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,440
encouraging uh

1177
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,680
encouraging environment as i was growing

1178
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,079
up were they new agers

1179
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,920
no not at all

1180
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:13,359
no

1181
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:16,319
they were republicans they were

1182
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:18,880
they were both teachers uh my dad worked

1183
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:20,240
for the park service in the summers to

1184
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,520
help feed eight kids right right and uh

1185
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,280
and

1186
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:27,599
they were fairly apolitical they weren't

1187
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,720
really

1188
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,319
much concerned about politics they were

1189
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:31,920
much more concerned with making ends

1190
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,559
meet and and involved in their social

1191
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:37,280
uh circles and they were very kind

1192
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,640
people they're very helpful people so

1193
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,160
they spent a lot of time helping others

1194
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:42,000
and and that's where their focus was

1195
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:44,079
they didn't really care much about what

1196
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:45,760
was happening on the larger political

1197
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:46,960
stage

1198
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,119
now i i want to ask you a little bit

1199
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:51,440
about your background because you've got

1200
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:54,160
a ba from brigham young

1201
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,680
were you there uh because of a religious

1202
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:58,960
background

1203
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:01,839
yeah pretty much i i was uh

1204
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:10,710
church of jesus christ of latter-day

1205
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:12,800
saints right but trying to say that

1206
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:15,359
every time is a real mouthful so i i go

1207
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,559
for the the

1208
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:18,720
nickname mormon uh normally when i talk

1209
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:22,720
about it and then backing up your phd is

1210
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,440
from the university of texas at austin i

1211
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:26,960
know that you lived there for a long

1212
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,160
time where did your uh family uh called

1213
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,760
home call home

1214
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:33,280
southern nevada a little town called

1215
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,880
boulder city

1216
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:36,480
about about an hour and a half from

1217
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,839
where we had that conference okay so and

1218
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:41,760
okay so that's how did you end up in

1219
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:44,079
texas

1220
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,920
i um

1221
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,359
well i was in texas several times but

1222
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,680
mostly because of assignments um

1223
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,680
i ended up living in texas we moved

1224
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,920
there after i retired from the army and

1225
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,400
the reason was foolishly the university

1226
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:58,079
of texas decided to accept me into their

1227
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:00,960
phd program

1228
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,760
so

1229
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,960
you know

1230
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:04,319
there are some other advantages one is

1231
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:05,839
that my wife's parents at the time were

1232
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,720
living in san antonio

1233
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,720
and although that wasn't a deciding

1234
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,400
factor it was really awesome that hal

1235
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:14,960
put off lived there in austin and had

1236
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:16,960
his lab there in fact i

1237
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,480
i used him i hired him actually

1238
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,319
i brought my remote viewing training

1239
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:24,640
company to austin in fact my philosophy

1240
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:25,920
professors that freaked them out when

1241
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,760
they found out how i was putting myself

1242
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:29,760
through school by teaching people to be

1243
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,720
psychic they said what you can't do that

1244
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,799
but hal was there and i was teaching my

1245
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,720
classes and so for each of my basic

1246
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,559
courses i would take my class over to

1247
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,160
his laboratory

1248
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:43,200
and then he would give them a lecture

1249
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:44,079
um

1250
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,599
telling them how remote viewing got

1251
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:47,200
started tell them about the science

1252
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,880
behind it tell them about kind of the

1253
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:50,720
early days of it the personalities the

1254
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:53,440
projects they did is really awesome i i

1255
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:55,280
still do that but we have to do it by

1256
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,440
zoom unfortunately because he's not i

1257
00:56:02,870 --> 00:55:59,040
live in utah now and he's still in

1258
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,880
austin so now uh let's go back again

1259
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,799
let's back up

1260
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,440
uh as you started to

1261
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:09,839
uh you know after high school and and

1262
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,000
looking at your life and career and and

1263
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:14,319
college and higher education

1264
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,839
did you have that interest in remote

1265
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,319
viewing parapsychology

1266
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:23,520
esp uh which was already in full steam

1267
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,960
uh you know uh from the 70s for 1970

1268
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,079
forward

1269
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,400
yeah so when i got recruited for the

1270
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,119
program in in the summer of 1983 i had

1271
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,040
never put the words remote and viewing

1272
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,599
together right i never heard of that now

1273
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,200
before that though remember i mentioned

1274
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:41,200
i was interested in esp i've read a lot

1275
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,799
of science fiction andrea norton's books

1276
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:44,559
about telepathic cats

1277
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,960
and uh xena henderson heard stories

1278
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:49,040
about this alien race that looked just

1279
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,960
like humans but were psychic and had

1280
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:53,040
their little enclave here on earth

1281
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:56,559
and various others uh other uh

1282
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,760
science fiction writers and i was

1283
00:57:02,710 --> 00:56:59,599
fascinated by the idea

1284
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:02,720
and wanted to believe that esp was real

1285
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,359
but unfortunately in junior high one of

1286
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:07,119
my colleagues decided she was going to

1287
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:09,200
do an esp project

1288
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:10,720
and the idea was they had the zener

1289
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,839
cards you know those are the cards with

1290
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:13,680
the star and the wavy lines and all that

1291
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:16,240
stuff made famous in ghostbusters right

1292
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:17,119
um

1293
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,160
and we tried with zener cards to

1294
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,400
transmit our thoughts or perceive what

1295
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:23,839
somebody else was thinking whatever is

1296
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,760
kind of a telepathy experiment

1297
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,599
total failure right psychic is a brick

1298
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,119
at least according to that and so i

1299
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,359
became a mild skeptic about this i

1300
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:33,760
thought that stuff's really cool really

1301
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:35,839
interesting but i have my doubts that is

1302
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:36,720
really

1303
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:41,359
from that point being doubtful about

1304
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,559
this this faculty that even existed

1305
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:46,160
and so i

1306
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:48,400
what came next

1307
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,359
well

1308
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,440
i went on a mission for the

1309
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:53,280
the mormon church went to switzerland

1310
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:55,839
which was awesome

1311
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,400
came back got married and in short order

1312
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,400
of joined the army

1313
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,079
i wanted to learn arabic and bring them

1314
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,920
into university and teach it at the time

1315
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:06,000
they do now but they did it back then my

1316
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,720
wife said my then wife said well if you

1317
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,319
join the army they'll they'll not only

1318
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:12,079
teach you arabic but they'll pay you to

1319
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,280
do it

1320
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,440
oh okay i didn't really want to but i

1321
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,520
joined the army best thing one of the

1322
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,280
best things i ever did joining the army

1323
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,359
it was awesome right

1324
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:23,200
and then i went through various things

1325
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,160
and ended up becoming an officer and uh

1326
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,880
got tr sent to fort meade to work as a

1327
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:30,640
mideast analyst

1328
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:33,839
in the in a human intelligence uh unit

1329
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:36,480
and while i was there i got to meet skip

1330
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:38,240
atwater who was the guy who founded the

1331
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,680
army program he was my next door

1332
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:41,520
neighbor we shared a wall across the

1333
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,240
street from tom mcnair who was a remote

1334
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:46,559
viewer in training at the time but i had

1335
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:49,280
no idea what they did and it was very

1336
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,640
weird because

1337
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:52,559
i couldn't find out i'd ask him these

1338
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,960
questions and and and i knew what

1339
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,880
everybody else on for me did pretty much

1340
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,480
if i asked him i could figure it out

1341
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,400
real easy i couldn't figure these guys

1342
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:02,240
out but let me ask you a question i'm an

1343
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:03,599
army brat

1344
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:06,720
so i have to ask you this um you will

1345
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:09,599
get this some in the audience won't but

1346
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,640
when you go to officer training school

1347
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,640
and and you're looking at the pamphlet

1348
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:16,640
right

1349
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:19,440
is there a pair of psychology or

1350
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:23,119
anything down there that alludes to this

1351
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,799
you're laughing you know exactly what

1352
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:26,640
i'm suggesting here

1353
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:29,680
was absolutely absolutely not no

1354
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:32,400
uh and it was so tightly controlled i

1355
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,720
mean it was people say above top secret

1356
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:36,079
there's really no such thing but it was

1357
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,440
in a caveat you know a side compartment

1358
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,440
that only about 150 people in the world

1359
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:43,280
knew that it existed

1360
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,200
right in in the entire military and

1361
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,760
government about 150 people on this list

1362
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,440
that were allowed to know about it

1363
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,000
so i had no way of knowing about it um i

1364
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,400
was a conventional intelligence officer

1365
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,640
tactical and strategic intelligence and

1366
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,480
and signals intelligence that was my sp

1367
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:00,880
those were my specialties and so i get

1368
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,280
to four meet and these guys are doing

1369
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:05,040
something that i couldn't figure out i

1370
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:06,720
mean i knew what everybody did they did

1371
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:09,200
signals intelligence human intelligence

1372
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:10,880
imagery intelligence

1373
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:12,640
or what did i leave out i left something

1374
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:14,799
out you know one of these things and

1375
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,880
when i'm talking to him saying well

1376
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:18,640
you know i know you can't tell me what

1377
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,920
exactly you're doing but you can tell me

1378
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,200
which one of these intelligence

1379
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:24,000
disciplines you do and they said uh

1380
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:26,000
none of them none of them and see this

1381
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:27,599
is what's crazy

1382
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:30,319
everybody at fort meade is a spook

1383
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:33,040
that's that's everybody's gig um trying

1384
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:34,720
to figure out what they do well if

1385
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,799
they're doing their job

1386
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:38,960
you're not going to find out so well

1387
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:39,920
you're not going to find out who they're

1388
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,000
doing it too right but you will almost

1389
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,480
always know what kind of a job it is

1390
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,799
right right i'll spook though i'll spook

1391
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,400
top top to bottom

1392
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,319
um did

1393
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:52,319
did you have to pull it out of skip or

1394
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,680
was this a a conversation that

1395
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:57,440
actually happened

1396
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:58,960
there was no point out of them the

1397
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:01,040
conversation actually happened

1398
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:03,440
and i said well surely you do one of the

1399
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:05,119
ants and they said no

1400
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:06,640
i said well what do you do we can't tell

1401
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,839
you and then i said this is great i said

1402
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,440
because i thought if i could figure out

1403
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:13,200
what kind of stuff they did i could i

1404
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:15,520
could ultimately deduce it i said well

1405
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:19,040
do you do a lot of traveling right

1406
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:20,079
and

1407
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:25,760
kind of sort of yeah right okay let's

1408
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stop right there i need to take a break

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and that is just

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i i just can't imagine that must have

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been so cool okay we will continue

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where we are leaving off it's gonna be a

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great conversation tonight you need to

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buckle up kids

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our guest tonight paul h smith i'm your

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host jimmy church this is fade to black

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remote viewer

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at stargate i'll be right back stay with

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us

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this is fade to black with jimmy church

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jimmy church and fade to black on the

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we're the honey brothers

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and you're listening to jimmy church the

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this is jimmy church of fade to black

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not by just going to our membership

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holds the lucky pony record for the best

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01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:39,839
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church on fade to black

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01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,549
welcome back fade to black i'm yours

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01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:08,720
jimmy chair tonight paul h

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01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:09,760
smith

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01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:13,359
this is going to be great and

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01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:14,400
when it comes

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01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:22,630
what uh paul you're supposed to remote

1520
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:28,710
he just held a question up i'm not gonna

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01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:31,039
say uh what it was uh to the camera that

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01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:32,880
was funny um

1523
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:35,520
and you know what i i can i can go back

1524
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:37,440
to that joke for the rest of the night

1525
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:38,880
too by the way

1526
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,079
and and

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01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:42,799
you know what's interesting to me

1528
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:45,280
is uh and especially when it comes to

1529
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:47,119
remote viewing

1530
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,480
um how do you handle

1531
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:52,799
questions from

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01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:54,880
uh people that

1533
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:55,760
uh

1534
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:58,160
want to insist that they're experts in

1535
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:00,720
quantum physics or physics when they're

1536
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:04,240
not a physicist or or and they don't

1537
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:06,400
understand remote viewing but they will

1538
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:08,400
act like they do because they've read a

1539
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:10,240
book

1540
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:12,640
you know i i try to follow the principle

1541
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,070
kind a bit skeptical you know i try to

1542
01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:22,319
i i um

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01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:23,839
and it kind of depends sometimes it

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01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:25,839
doesn't matter they're it's perfectly

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01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:27,120
fine if they believe what they want to

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01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:28,880
believe they're not going to have an

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01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:30,960
impact on anybody else right if it's in

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01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,839
a situation that matters

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01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:35,279
then usually i

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01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:37,679
i present a few questions

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01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:39,600
to kind of get them to think about what

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01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:40,640
they're

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01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:44,159
saying and and maybe to see

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01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:46,159
that maybe they there's things they

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01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:48,960
don't know or whatever

1556
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:50,799
mostly i'm more interested in what

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01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,960
people listening in care you know are

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01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,719
learning from it rather than

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01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:56,480
convincing the person that i'm talking

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01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:59,279
to ultimately so right you know i try

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01:09:01,910 --> 01:09:00,719
and educate the

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01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,920
the

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01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:03,600
observers

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01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:05,839
uh even probably more than the the

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01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:07,040
person that's

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01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:09,040
you know there in front of me now i have

1567
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:13,600
been told uh from many remote viewers uh

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01:09:18,189 --> 01:09:15,440
all of them you know

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01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:18,199
uh the same thing over and over again

1570
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:21,520
everybody has the ability you just have

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01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:22,960
to be taught

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01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:25,520
that sounds extreme to me it's it's too

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01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,640
easy but is that basically true

1574
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:30,000
well it is

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01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:32,000
basically true

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01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:34,159
but the catch isn't having the ability

1577
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:36,880
to remote view the catch is

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01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,440
allowing yourself to learn

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01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:41,359
how to use that ability

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01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:42,719
um

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01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:45,040
it's a lot like any other

1582
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:46,799
complex human skill i like to use the

1583
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:48,159
example of playing the piano well

1584
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:50,159
they're not exactly

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01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:52,000
congruent but they're real but they're

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01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:53,600
similar and as far as an analogy is

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01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:54,800
concerned so

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01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:57,040
anybody that's got all their fingers and

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01:10:01,750 --> 01:09:58,640
has got a reasonable ability to

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01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:01,760
recognize music musical sounds can learn

1591
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:03,440
to play the piano

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01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,560
it depends on three things their

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01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,320
willingness to

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01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:10,320
be taught

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01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:14,159
their willingness to practice

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01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:17,920
and their ability to understand what it

1597
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,679
is they're being taught

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okay right

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01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:22,400
and i guess that's part of the first one

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01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,480
when you get right down to it and if

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01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:26,719
they have that then generally speaking

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01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:29,440
anybody can learn to play the piano to a

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01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:31,360
level where people don't mind listening

1604
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:33,280
to them they can accompany a soloist or

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01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:35,600
whatever right they may not become

1606
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:37,520
concert pianists

1607
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:38,880
that's partly maybe because of

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01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,960
willingness to invest the kind of energy

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01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:42,560
and time that it takes but but they can

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01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:45,520
become adequate uh by

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01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:47,199
piano players i mean

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01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,199
nearly anybody can learn to drive a car

1613
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:51,440
up to a point right nearly anybody can

1614
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:53,040
learn how to

1615
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:55,520
shoot guns accurately if they're willing

1616
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:57,760
to learn the principles and practice

1617
01:11:01,910 --> 01:10:59,199
right so

1618
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:01,920
um remote viewings like that as well you

1619
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,480
get some people who are able to learn it

1620
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:06,560
and other people who

1621
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:08,800
for whatever reason maybe they they've

1622
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:10,080
learned some

1623
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:11,920
things the wrong way and they just don't

1624
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:14,640
want to unlearn those things right or or

1625
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:17,040
they may just not really comprehend what

1626
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,880
it is you're trying to get them to do or

1627
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:20,640
oftentimes it's actually

1628
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:23,520
anxiety right they're kind of afraid of

1629
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,440
learning how to do it they want to learn

1630
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,880
it but they're a little bit afraid of

1631
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,400
doing it that's one reason why some

1632
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,320
people don't learn to swim everybody can

1633
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:32,480
learn to swim but some people don't

1634
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,000
because they're just a little bit afraid

1635
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:36,239
of it right so there's a lot of reasons

1636
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,480
but ultimately what gets in the way is

1637
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,400
the ability to learn it not the ability

1638
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:42,320
to do it now

1639
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,920
and and that those statements come over

1640
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:48,080
years of experience

1641
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:50,640
but when you first sat down with skip

1642
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:52,159
and start

1643
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,360
digesting this uh

1644
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:56,880
how did he

1645
01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:59,679
uh discuss what this was

1646
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,520
how does he introduce it because what

1647
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,440
you just said to me right now

1648
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:05,760
i could i could land on my feet pretty

1649
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:08,159
quickly yeah but i'm sure it wasn't that

1650
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,440
way back then

1651
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,840
well it's interesting

1652
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:13,199
i learned two different ways the one was

1653
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:14,320
the way skip taught me and then the

1654
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,520
other way was the way that he can go

1655
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:17,760
swan taught me right right so the way

1656
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:19,360
skip taught me was

1657
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:21,199
he put you in a setting

1658
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:22,880
we read the book mind reach which gives

1659
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,560
you a little bit of an idea about how it

1660
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:26,640
works i put some setting

1661
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:27,840
said okay

1662
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,400
just cast your mind out there and

1663
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:33,040
and see what happens and then if you're

1664
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,320
going to get anything you had a remote

1665
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:36,080
view so it's kind of almost like being

1666
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:37,440
thrown in the deep end of the pool and

1667
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,520
told if you reach the side you'll you'll

1668
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:41,520
know how to swim right

1669
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:42,480
so

1670
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:44,719
um that experiment was what we call an

1671
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:46,480
outbounder where a couple of my

1672
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:48,320
colleagues went off to a another

1673
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:50,000
location which i was not aware where

1674
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:52,960
they went and then they became my beacon

1675
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:55,440
the the idea was that i would try and

1676
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:58,480
find them out there wherever they were

1677
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,159
psychically find them

1678
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,400
and then when i found them i'd also find

1679
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:04,480
the target where they were and the goal

1680
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:08,159
was to describe their surroundings okay

1681
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:09,679
um and so

1682
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:12,320
skip says okay here you go and we're

1683
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:14,159
gonna do it and

1684
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:15,760
okay i'm not quite sure what it is i'm

1685
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:17,040
doing he said don't worry about it don't

1686
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,480
worry about it and then you know we went

1687
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:19,920
through it and he'd asked me a few

1688
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,199
questions like

1689
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:23,920
um now let me remember

1690
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:26,719
i think it was tom and joe mcmahon eagle

1691
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,960
that went on that outbounder

1692
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:30,640
um like

1693
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:32,560
it's been a while and i wrote my book i

1694
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:34,800
have to read my book to find my work

1695
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:37,040
what was right but but you know he said

1696
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,960
find them and describe where they are

1697
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:40,320
and that was essentially the

1698
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,000
instructions i got

1699
01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:44,000
and

1700
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:46,239
i didn't find them you didn't find them

1701
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:47,360
well

1702
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,600
okay this is i'll have to tell you the

1703
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:51,760
story so i'll make it short

1704
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:55,120
the target was this massive water tower

1705
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:56,080
it's one of those things that looked

1706
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:58,000
like a big spider you know the central

1707
01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:59,440
thing and then all of these pipes coming

1708
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,760
down around the edges just a huge almost

1709
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:03,440
spherical thing kind of a squashed

1710
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:07,040
sphere probably 40 50 feet tall equally

1711
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:08,400
round is huge

1712
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:11,280
i shouldn't have missed it right what i

1713
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:14,159
described instead was this small room

1714
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:16,080
with a thing at one end that had glass

1715
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,600
on it that was transparent and little

1716
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:19,600
windows with curtains and these little

1717
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:21,600
spindly little tables kind of like tea

1718
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:24,400
tables and chairs and and the off-white

1719
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:26,080
wall is kind of a matte texture and i'm

1720
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:28,480
describing all this and

1721
01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:30,960
and finally skip says okay and they come

1722
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:33,679
back and and the the um

1723
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:35,440
your feedback is you get in the car with

1724
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:36,800
them you know and they brought along

1725
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:38,560
donuts first a bunch on right you know

1726
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:40,400
and get in the car with them and they

1727
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:42,000
take you back to the target i get there

1728
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:43,440
and i'm walking around this water tower

1729
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,880
i'm saying

1730
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:46,159
i didn't get any of this stuff i'm

1731
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:47,679
thinking oh no i'm going to get fired

1732
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:49,920
before i even start i'm done i'm never

1733
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:51,199
going to be a remote viewer right i'm

1734
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:53,520
walking around total miss and we're

1735
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:56,640
driving back to the to the office

1736
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:59,040
and all of a sudden i had this pull off

1737
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:01,280
to the right i see this small building

1738
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:03,679
and i look over there and i say

1739
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:05,840
i want to stop there

1740
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:08,880
and skip looks at me and says

1741
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:10,880
essentially this principle

1742
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:11,760
it

1743
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:16,320
matter at all what you remove you

1744
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:17,520
instead

1745
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,800
i say

1746
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:20,800
okay i still want to stop there we pull

1747
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,520
over there we walk in i see at one end

1748
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:25,520
this counter with with a transparent

1749
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:27,120
front i see these little spindly t

1750
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:29,360
tables i see curtains with wind with uh

1751
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:31,280
windows with curtains and a kind of an

1752
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:34,480
off-yellow matte surface it was a donut

1753
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:35,920
shop it's where they bought the damp

1754
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:38,719
donuts now now okay

1755
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:41,360
this is this is really cool

1756
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:43,120
was it

1757
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:48,000
i mean did you recognize it absolutely i

1758
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:50,159
recognized it absolutely recognized so

1759
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:52,880
what goes through your mind now

1760
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:55,760
i'm thinking it really does work

1761
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:57,840
but they're still going to fire me right

1762
01:16:01,990 --> 01:16:00,239
right right right

1763
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:02,000
yeah they screwed up the protocol

1764
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,000
because the way the protocol is you're

1765
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,480
supposed to go straight to the target

1766
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:08,159
and straight back you're not supposed to

1767
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:09,679
stop anywhere but on the way back they

1768
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:11,280
said oh let's get some donuts and so

1769
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:12,880
they stopped the donut shop

1770
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:14,960
that's where i picked them up now that's

1771
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:16,719
where i picked them up you brought up

1772
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:19,440
ingo you just mentioned mcmonagle so

1773
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:22,640
you've got like the all-star squad

1774
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:24,960
you know out of the gate did you realize

1775
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:27,440
who was around you did you know who ingo

1776
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,719
was did you know joseph mcmonagle

1777
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:32,640
well i knew joe he's just one of my

1778
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,400
colleagues who's a friend i mean at that

1779
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:36,480
point and and everybody respected in the

1780
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,560
unit everybody respected joe because he

1781
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,320
literally was the best remote viewer we

1782
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,960
had at the time right right right

1783
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:44,640
and frankly he was the only one left

1784
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:46,159
from the original set of folks because

1785
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:47,679
everybody else had been transferred out

1786
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:49,120
right right or died we actually

1787
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:50,800
unfortunately had one guy named hartley

1788
01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:52,880
trent who was an awesome guy who had

1789
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,560
died of cancer in fact i got his desk

1790
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:58,159
which is a little sobering as you can

1791
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:00,480
imagine sure um

1792
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:04,320
so um we knew joe was good we didn't

1793
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:05,840
realize what kind of a legend he would

1794
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:07,920
become in the future of course we didn't

1795
01:17:10,870 --> 01:17:09,760
expect anything to be known in public

1796
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:10,880
about this

1797
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:12,239
in the future as far as we know is going

1798
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:14,239
to be classified forever right right

1799
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:17,040
right and uh now take me through i'm

1800
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:19,120
just fascinated with this

1801
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:20,000
um

1802
01:17:26,790 --> 01:17:24,000
the the stargate program and

1803
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:26,800
and as an institution

1804
01:17:33,189 --> 01:17:30,400
did that form while you were there or

1805
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,199
were protocols already in place

1806
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:35,440
and and you go in and there's you know

1807
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:38,719
uh uh you know a stargate instruction

1808
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:41,360
manual and and things

1809
01:17:44,709 --> 01:17:42,320
well

1810
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:44,719
it evolved as time went on and it wasn't

1811
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:46,400
even known as stargate at that time

1812
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:48,880
that's my question yes yeah so what

1813
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:50,400
happened was uh

1814
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:51,679
first of all there's a rule in the

1815
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:52,800
government if you have a classified

1816
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:54,480
program it has to have an unclassified

1817
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:55,920
nickname so you can talk about it

1818
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:58,480
without revealing classified stuff and

1819
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:01,440
every five years well you have to change

1820
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:03,280
it under two conditions either the

1821
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,159
sponsorship or the um or the command

1822
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:08,880
structure of the organization changes

1823
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:11,280
or every five years you have to change

1824
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:12,640
the name either way you've got to change

1825
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:14,320
the name according to whatever that

1826
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:16,560
criteria is the reason is is this serves

1827
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:18,880
as a counterintelligence function

1828
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,719
if you change the name of classified the

1829
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:22,320
unclassified name and classify program

1830
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:24,800
every five years or more frequently it

1831
01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:27,520
throws off the the the adversaries who

1832
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:28,800
are trying to get information about it

1833
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:29,679
right because then they don't know

1834
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:30,880
you're talking about the same program

1835
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:32,960
again for a while right right so it

1836
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:36,159
started off being uh at when it was only

1837
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:38,159
being done at stanford research

1838
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,640
institute later on sri international

1839
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:42,719
they changed the name on that too

1840
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:44,719
it was called scanate which was short

1841
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:47,120
for scanning by coordinates right

1842
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:49,760
then when the army started it it became

1843
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:51,920
known as the very first iteration was

1844
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:54,320
gondola wish and then it became grill

1845
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:55,520
flame

1846
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:57,600
and then it became center lane which is

1847
01:19:01,590 --> 01:18:59,600
what it was when i joined and then it

1848
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:01,600
became sun streak when we moved it to

1849
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:04,239
dia to the defense intelligence agency

1850
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:07,040
and it finally was named stargate in

1851
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:08,560
1990

1852
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:10,800
after that five year period as being sun

1853
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,400
streak and so when the cia was assigned

1854
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:16,560
this program and decided to close it

1855
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,719
down that's an interesting story right

1856
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:20,640
there right

1857
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:22,239
the whole thing just became known as

1858
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,920
stargate because that was the final name

1859
01:19:29,189 --> 01:19:25,920
under which it was known uh but it

1860
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:29,199
wasn't really called stargate until

1861
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:33,040
15 20 years after it was started so now

1862
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:36,640
are there uh are are you still under

1863
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:39,679
any uh classified elements with this or

1864
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:44,080
are we just free to discuss whatever

1865
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:46,800
well um there's still a few things that

1866
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:49,600
are classified but not about the program

1867
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:52,480
itself or remote viewing it's more other

1868
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:54,880
sources and means that are invo you know

1869
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:56,320
intelligence collection sources means

1870
01:20:01,910 --> 01:19:58,560
that we're involved in the program

1871
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:01,920
now uh the cia declassified massive

1872
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:05,440
archives of this program interestingly

1873
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:07,360
you get all pretty much all the sessions

1874
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:09,199
that were both the operational and the

1875
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:10,719
practice sessions are in in those

1876
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:12,159
archives

1877
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:14,800
but they the cia carefully got rid of

1878
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:16,880
what the targets were what the feedback

1879
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:17,760
was

1880
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:20,080
so you know what the sessions are you

1881
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:21,360
don't know what they were targeted

1882
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,520
against in many cases now

1883
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:25,760
it wasn't a very a totally thorough job

1884
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:29,040
i i pretty much know what uh

1885
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:31,920
i'd say uh probably the majority of

1886
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:33,600
targets were

1887
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:35,199
because we've been able to decipher that

1888
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:36,719
from stuff they didn't

1889
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:39,199
remember to take out and so on right

1890
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:40,080
but

1891
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:43,760
at least as long as you stick the remote

1892
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:45,679
viewing elements non-classified these

1893
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:47,280
days okay

1894
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:49,199
that is great

1895
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:54,400
now i know my boundaries which is none

1896
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,560
all right i'll i'll make sure to enforce

1897
01:21:02,149 --> 01:20:58,560
the boundaries

1898
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:02,159
so let's go back to a 1983.

1899
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:03,440
um

1900
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:07,600
were you asked to join or did you ask to

1901
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:09,760
join i i since i didn't know what they

1902
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:11,199
were doing there's no way i was going to

1903
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:13,120
try and join it

1904
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:14,239
if you're in the army you're smart

1905
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:15,920
enough to know if you don't know what

1906
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:18,719
something is don't mess with it right

1907
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,800
so yeah i didn't know what they did and

1908
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:22,800
i was busy doing my own my own

1909
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:25,280
assignment and it was in my uh my

1910
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:27,520
general field of expertise middle east

1911
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:29,760
right

1912
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:32,400
they came to my door one day and said

1913
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:33,840
paul we think you might be good at what

1914
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,000
we do and i said well what do you do and

1915
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,400
they said we can't tell you i said well

1916
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:40,560
then why would i want to sign on

1917
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:42,000
and they said we're going to give you

1918
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:43,520
some tests

1919
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,400
and if you score where we think you will

1920
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:48,960
then uh we will read you on

1921
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:51,040
and you'll have an opportunity to either

1922
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:54,239
accept or reject uh volunteering for our

1923
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:56,960
organization right okay what the heck it

1924
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:59,440
was an adventure so i i did the test

1925
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:01,199
they were mostly standard psychology

1926
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:04,880
tests myers-briggs type inventory mmpi

1927
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:06,719
you know various various psychology

1928
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:09,199
tests and i scored where they thought i

1929
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:11,199
would the the parameters are fairly

1930
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:13,679
broad but still you know restricted to

1931
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:15,760
some degree so they said okay come on

1932
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:17,440
over i went over i got read on tom is

1933
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:18,719
sitting there now i have to set the

1934
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:20,560
picture for you here

1935
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:23,520
we were a relaxed grooming unit because

1936
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,520
when we were away from fort meade we

1937
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:27,040
weren't supposed to let anybody know we

1938
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:29,600
were actually in the army right so you

1939
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,000
did wear hawaiian shirts

1940
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:34,080
actually we did when we were tdy once

1941
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:37,120
yeah okay all right okay okay

1942
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:39,360
and tom is tom mcmonagle

1943
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:41,840
no tom mcnair tom mcnair okay yeah

1944
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,199
people get confused because of the muck

1945
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,360
part right right but yeah tom mcnair

1946
01:22:49,590 --> 01:22:47,040
he's tall and thin

1947
01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:49,600
and he was wore jeans and an open collar

1948
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:50,719
shirt

1949
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:52,880
and he had a full beard

1950
01:22:58,870 --> 01:22:55,920
and long curly hair right

1951
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:58,880
now ironically his doorstep said captain

1952
01:23:02,070 --> 01:23:00,480
tom mcnair so

1953
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:02,080
on post he was acknowledged as being in

1954
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:04,719
the military but he did not look at all

1955
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,400
like he was in the army right

1956
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,400
so he's sitting at the table i'm sitting

1957
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:10,480
at the other side of the table he slides

1958
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:11,920
over this sheet

1959
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:14,320
that uh it's a non-disclosure thing you

1960
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:16,239
know a read on indoctrination statement

1961
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:17,440
we call him but it was essentially

1962
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:19,040
nondisclosure

1963
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:20,880
and i was already

1964
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:23,760
uh cleared up the top secret with

1965
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:25,280
various compartments in addition

1966
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:27,440
including nuclear surety and

1967
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:29,120
special sources and all kinds of stuff

1968
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,840
right

1969
01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:30,960
so

1970
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:32,639
i have these clearances but this was

1971
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:34,639
even more draconian than any clearance

1972
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:36,639
paper i'd ever signed before i mean it

1973
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,280
was re it was like that uh men in black

1974
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:41,360
thing tommy lee jones is reading will

1975
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:43,280
smith on and he says you'll sever all

1976
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:44,560
human relationships you have your

1977
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:46,480
fingerprints removed whatever all this

1978
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:48,400
stuff you know it was almost that bad

1979
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,560
right wow so i'm reading this and saying

1980
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:52,480
whoa whatever they're doing is really

1981
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:55,600
high octane you know so i sign it and

1982
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:57,920
tom says okay well our mission here is

1983
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:59,600
to collect intelligence against foreign

1984
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:00,560
threats

1985
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:02,480
using a parapsychological discipline

1986
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:04,719
called remote viewing we're essentially

1987
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:06,560
asking you to volunteer to become a

1988
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:08,560
psychic spy

1989
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:09,679
and

1990
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:12,960
right now we'll give you 24 hours to

1991
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:14,480
think about and you can tell your wife

1992
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:16,880
these things and he listed off some

1993
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:19,520
things that i could tell her

1994
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:22,639
but as he's saying all this i'm thinking

1995
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,000
i used to really be interested in esp

1996
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:28,800
i wanted to be true and i found out that

1997
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:30,400
it didn't work

1998
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:32,000
now he's telling me there's a line item

1999
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,000
in the federal budget that's paying

2000
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:36,400
people to be trained to be psychics

2001
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:39,360
there is no way i'm going to say no

2002
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:42,000
so as soon as he finished saying you

2003
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:44,239
have 24 hours and all that i said don't

2004
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:46,639
worry don't even work bother with that

2005
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:49,440
where do i sign yeah psychic spy

2006
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:50,639
i'm in

2007
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:56,000
and that beats the motor pool right so

2008
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:57,760
oh yes and i've had time in the motor

2009
01:25:01,030 --> 01:25:00,159
culture right right right right

2010
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:01,040
so

2011
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:05,280
uh take me through this um

2012
01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:08,719
when they say i'm sure we can discuss

2013
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,960
most of the stuff out of the open

2014
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:12,960
um when

2015
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:15,040
you know foreign adversaries that's

2016
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:18,880
pretty much the world but at that time

2017
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:21,360
it's the soviet union i would have you

2018
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:24,159
know was that the focus

2019
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:25,280
i'll tell you

2020
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:27,120
it wasn't the australians it wasn't the

2021
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:28,960
brits it wasn't the french right right

2022
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:31,760
it was the soviet union the russians the

2023
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:34,320
iron curtain countries the chinese

2024
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:35,120
okay

2025
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:37,600
um and even countries as diverse as

2026
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:39,120
pakistan and

2027
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:40,800
not so much that we cared what the

2028
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:42,560
pakistanis were up to except we were

2029
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:44,560
interested in the nuclear program

2030
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:46,880
and so we there was a

2031
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:50,080
uh one or more projects in the archives

2032
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:51,840
that were focused on the pakistani

2033
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:52,960
nuclear

2034
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:57,600
and when i say

2035
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:59,840
so i said foreign threats

2036
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:01,280
a threat can be someone who isn't

2037
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:03,120
necessarily adversary but doing

2038
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:05,199
something that could cause trouble right

2039
01:26:09,669 --> 01:26:08,400
and so uh i mean we did uh hostages in

2040
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:09,679
the middle east trying to find western

2041
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,600
hostages in the bekah valley in lebanon

2042
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:13,679
now we tried we were involved in uh

2043
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:16,159
later on in 89 90 a little bit after

2044
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:16,960
that

2045
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:19,040
uh counter-narcotics the war on drugs

2046
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,199
trying to locate contraband and drug

2047
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:23,280
smugglers and stuff and doing it fairly

2048
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:24,960
successfully by the way

2049
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:27,520
um you know for uh science and

2050
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:29,600
technology targets in foreign countries

2051
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:32,239
uh and hostages and hot spots where

2052
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:33,920
there might be hostilities all those

2053
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:35,920
that we did anything that could have

2054
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:38,080
been of interest to the intelligence

2055
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:39,760
community any kind of target the

2056
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:41,920
intelligence community was interested in

2057
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:44,080
we worked some version of that target at

2058
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:45,360
one time or another during the history

2059
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:48,080
of the program okay so let's go i i'm

2060
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:49,760
assuming

2061
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:51,520
training and all of that that's what the

2062
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:53,600
army is all about

2063
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:56,719
so we're going to move past all of that

2064
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:58,480
in the interest of i want to get to the

2065
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:01,040
good stuff and we only have so much time

2066
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:02,880
okay

2067
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:07,920
how were the targets presented to you or

2068
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:10,960
other remote viewers are you given

2069
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:11,840
uh

2070
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,159
points you know longitude latitude are

2071
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:16,800
you given that are you given a subject

2072
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:19,760
or are you given a blank envelope and

2073
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:25,669
very early on they gave us latitude and

2074
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:27,600
longitude they gave us geographical

2075
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:29,760
coordinates okay

2076
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:31,280
but then they switched to what they call

2077
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:33,440
encrypted coordinates which actually

2078
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:35,600
were just random numbers arbitrary

2079
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:37,120
numbers that had been intentionally

2080
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:39,520
associated with what the target was so

2081
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:41,040
for example

2082
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:44,000
where you might have in the early days

2083
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:48,159
you might have a you know latitude

2084
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:49,840
geographic coordinates for a place in

2085
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:51,520
the soviet union later on it might be

2086
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:52,400
just

2087
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:54,639
arbitrary numbers and i like to use the

2088
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:57,440
arbitrary number 8675309

2089
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:00,560
as my example well done

2090
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:03,440
i got it i got it

2091
01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:06,560
so okay anyway so let's say there's a a

2092
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,440
missile facility in russia

2093
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:11,040
i i know one that i actually talked with

2094
01:28:15,189 --> 01:28:13,199
somebody at the conference about

2095
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:15,199
i don't know if you uh

2096
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:19,760
um well i won't go into that but um

2097
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:21,760
at soviet abm radar that was kind of

2098
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:23,920
classified at the time we worked that

2099
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:28,709
for an analyst that wanted to see if we

2100
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:30,000
could come up with something that they

2101
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:32,320
didn't know about it okay and so it

2102
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:35,120
might be uh 8675309

2103
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:37,679
equals remote view the soviet abm

2104
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:38,880
facility

2105
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:41,600
uh at a certain location near moscow for

2106
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:43,920
example right now the viewer just gets

2107
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:47,520
the 8675309 they don't get the soviet

2108
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:50,159
abm facility that's kept away from them

2109
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:52,480
so they have that number and that's how

2110
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:54,080
you start a session

2111
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:56,239
that's where you begin you don't know

2112
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:57,600
anything else about it and there's a

2113
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,120
couple reasons for that

2114
01:29:02,709 --> 01:29:01,440
the first reason is is the skeptics will

2115
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:02,719
claim you're not remote viewing you're

2116
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:03,840
just guessing if you know what the

2117
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:06,159
target is right and produce information

2118
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:08,719
the really important reason though is

2119
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:10,560
if you know anything about the target at

2120
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:13,040
all then in fact you do start guessing

2121
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:15,360
but the guessing messes up the signal

2122
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:17,040
your left brain starts trying to guess

2123
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:18,800
what it is it remembers things that

2124
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:21,040
knows about it it can speculate if it

2125
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:22,800
knows it's an abm facility roughly what

2126
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:25,840
it might look like and all that is noise

2127
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:28,560
all that gets in the way of actually

2128
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,199
perceiving the real information

2129
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:33,920
that that the analyst wants to know and

2130
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:36,719
so you have to keep the viewer blind to

2131
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:39,040
keep all of that noise out of the system

2132
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:40,880
the viewer cannot know what the target

2133
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:42,800
is so we use that number instead tells

2134
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:44,639
them nothing about the target

2135
01:29:50,629 --> 01:29:48,400
now that as you're okay so

2136
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:50,639
it's one thing to

2137
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:54,239
see the outside of a missile facility or

2138
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:57,520
or the construction of or the element

2139
01:30:01,750 --> 01:30:00,159
okay i get but what about taking it a

2140
01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:01,760
step further because i'm going to carry

2141
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:05,600
this over into the next segment

2142
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:08,080
given an office number

2143
01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:09,760
and a floor

2144
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:13,360
inside of the kgb for instance to look

2145
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:14,880
at a desk

2146
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:16,000
to see

2147
01:30:23,669 --> 01:30:19,920
notes on a desk to get specific did it

2148
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:24,709
yes

2149
01:30:32,390 --> 01:30:30,400
okay stop right there

2150
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:32,400
stop right there let's take our break

2151
01:30:38,470 --> 01:30:35,520
this is fade to black it's getting good

2152
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:38,480
paulie smith remote viewing is what we

2153
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:40,719
are discussing tonight i'm your host

2154
01:30:52,730 --> 01:30:43,360
jimmy church this is fade to black stay

2155
01:30:52,740 --> 01:31:00,229
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2156
01:31:03,910 --> 01:31:02,390
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2157
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:03,920
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2158
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2159
01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:19,920
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01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:21,760
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2181
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2182
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:35,280
headed do you wonder about the food

2183
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:38,320
supply i do disruptions in the food

2184
01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:40,480
supply chain could be disastrous and

2185
01:32:45,270 --> 01:32:43,280
they usually occur with little warning

2186
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2187
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:48,239
today is to stockpile emergency food

2188
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water and other essentials i personally

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2195
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2196
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2197
01:33:19,110 --> 01:33:16,159
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2198
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:19,120
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2199
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:22,080
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2200
01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:25,440
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2201
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:26,719
time to lose

2202
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:28,800
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2203
01:33:32,629 --> 01:33:30,800
fader knots when you think about the

2204
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:32,639
future of our country and where we're

2205
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:34,560
headed do you wonder about the food

2206
01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:36,480
supply i do

2207
01:33:40,629 --> 01:33:38,320
disruptions in the food supply chain

2208
01:33:43,270 --> 01:33:40,639
could be disastrous and they usually

2209
01:33:45,350 --> 01:33:43,280
occur with little warning that's why the

2210
01:33:47,590 --> 01:33:45,360
smartest thing you can do today is to

2211
01:33:50,550 --> 01:33:47,600
stockpile emergency food

2212
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:50,560
water and other essentials i personally

2213
01:33:55,669 --> 01:33:53,360
recommend my patriot supply they're the

2214
01:33:58,229 --> 01:33:55,679
nation's largest emergency preparedness

2215
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company serving millions of customers

2216
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for more than a decade in fact they're

2217
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the only source my family trusts for our

2218
01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:06,480
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2219
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:09,840
now save 20 off a full four week supply

2220
01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:12,320
of delicious meals that provide 2 000

2221
01:34:19,149 --> 01:34:15,440
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01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:19,760
tonight paul h smith is with us now

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i want to remind everybody what's going

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on this week it's first time guest week

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01:36:30,149 --> 01:36:27,199
once again here on fade to black tonight

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01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:30,159
paulie smith uh tomorrow night actor

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01:36:38,229 --> 01:36:35,199
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01:36:43,030 --> 01:36:40,239
got a huge special

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across a bunch of other networks it's

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01:36:50,709 --> 01:36:47,040
going to be great that's going down

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01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:50,719
thursday night so no fader night this

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01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:53,600
week oh man two weeks in a row no fade

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01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:55,360
or night but we'll get back to open

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01:37:02,470 --> 01:36:58,960
lines next week tonight paul h smith and

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01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:02,480
now uh right before the break one of the

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01:37:09,030 --> 01:37:05,600
most interesting parts of remote viewing

2269
01:37:12,070 --> 01:37:09,040
that i i've always thought this

2270
01:37:15,189 --> 01:37:12,080
must be the ultimate goal right to peer

2271
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:15,199
into like putin's office right

2272
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,960
and see what he's writing down on a

2273
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:18,560
piece of paper

2274
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:21,840
and uh to appear inside of an office and

2275
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:24,639
you said yeah sure right like i would

2276
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:25,840
assume

2277
01:37:30,229 --> 01:37:27,520
that would be the ultimate thing to be

2278
01:37:31,830 --> 01:37:30,239
able to do and you guys were doing just

2279
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:31,840
that

2280
01:37:37,510 --> 01:37:34,400
we it was done at fort meade

2281
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:37,520
in fact we did it as well um

2282
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:38,400
you have to

2283
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:40,000
remember there's like 18 years of

2284
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:41,840
program here and people coming in and

2285
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:44,320
going just for the the army involvement

2286
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:45,760
part of it right

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01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:46,639
um

2288
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:48,320
but it even happened before that so

2289
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:49,679
there's this um

2290
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:52,239
legendary remote viewer named pat price

2291
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:53,840
i think you probably heard his name oh

2292
01:37:58,629 --> 01:37:54,800
yes

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01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:58,639
stuff

2294
01:38:01,830 --> 01:38:00,320
as a remote viewer that i don't think

2295
01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:01,840
anybody else has

2296
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:03,520
has duplicated

2297
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:05,119
um since then

2298
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:07,040
um so you almost wish you had his brain

2299
01:38:11,109 --> 01:38:08,400
pickled and you'd go in and study it and

2300
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:11,119
see what it was he did right but one of

2301
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:12,800
the things he did was really quite

2302
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:14,880
amazing is um

2303
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:17,679
he got into the code room

2304
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:20,800
now let me remember whose embassy was

2305
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:23,440
the moscow embassy

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01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:26,080
oh so one thing they when he went to the

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01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:29,119
code room of the moscow embassy of the

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01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:30,960
united states

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01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:33,520
and the task was at that time they

2310
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:35,280
thought the russians were bugging our

2311
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:38,080
embassy but they hadn't found the bugs

2312
01:38:42,629 --> 01:38:39,119
and

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01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:42,639
view that

2314
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:44,400
and he went inside and described

2315
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:46,159
everything he was perceiving and

2316
01:38:51,430 --> 01:38:48,639
checking out and then he described where

2317
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:51,440
some of these bugs were located and so

2318
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:52,480
the first

2319
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:56,159
uh order analysis they got some tech

2320
01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:58,159
tech service guys who are familiar with

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01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,239
the code room of the embassy and some of

2322
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:02,560
these other facilities where price was

2323
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:05,040
uh said he had remote viewed

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01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:08,000
and those guys said yes that's exactly

2325
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:09,840
the way it set up yes i can recognize

2326
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:11,600
exactly where he was based on what he

2327
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:12,400
said

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01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:14,960
price had never been there

2329
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:16,719
there were no photos of it there's no

2330
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:19,360
way he could have known that and stopped

2331
01:39:24,629 --> 01:39:21,280
except by being psychic

2332
01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:24,639
and then they also found the bugs

2333
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:25,440
so

2334
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:27,360
that's that's an example of the kind of

2335
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:29,920
thing that we're able to do now we

2336
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:31,440
fairly i don't know how often it

2337
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:33,199
happened and oftentimes we didn't know

2338
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:35,440
we were doing it because viewer has to

2339
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:37,520
be blind to the target right

2340
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:41,119
but we did have um get some feedback

2341
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:42,880
that we were assigned to actually try

2342
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:45,280
and penetrate like the pull up bureau

2343
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:46,639
you know the kremlin different parts of

2344
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:49,920
the kremlin and try and perceive and

2345
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:51,360
describe

2346
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:53,119
uh intentions

2347
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:54,400
um

2348
01:40:02,550 --> 01:40:00,229
activities decision making that kind of

2349
01:40:03,910 --> 01:40:02,560
thing now here's the unfortunate thing

2350
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:03,920
about it

2351
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:06,000
is that we did describe lots of things

2352
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:08,400
like that but we to this day don't know

2353
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:11,360
how accurate we were because in order to

2354
01:40:15,830 --> 01:40:13,520
judge accuracy you have to be able to go

2355
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:15,840
in and ask them well on this and this

2356
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:17,040
day were you doing this and this and

2357
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:18,560
this and get them to say yes now

2358
01:40:22,709 --> 01:40:20,960
obviously we couldn't do that

2359
01:40:24,550 --> 01:40:22,719
how our information was used and if it

2360
01:40:26,229 --> 01:40:24,560
turned out to be correct in predicting

2361
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:26,239
things that the russians would do

2362
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:29,280
we the viewers never got to know so you

2363
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:31,199
hand off

2364
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:32,239
your

2365
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:35,040
remote viewing results

2366
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:38,560
and then whatever goes on after that

2367
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:39,840
policy

2368
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:42,320
uh actions

2369
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:43,760
you don't know

2370
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:46,080
what rarely do we know rarely do we ever

2371
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:47,440
find out and that's one of the reasons i

2372
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:49,199
told you the pat price story because we

2373
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:51,280
did get feedback from that

2374
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:52,080
right

2375
01:40:55,189 --> 01:40:52,960
so

2376
01:40:58,470 --> 01:40:55,199
now uh

2377
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:58,480
that's that's another uh

2378
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:01,280
thing i i don't know how much of this is

2379
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:03,520
you know classified

2380
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:05,760
but um

2381
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:09,920
when policy changes or actions i should

2382
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:13,440
say are a result of remote viewing

2383
01:41:17,750 --> 01:41:15,840
what's the discussion down the line you

2384
01:41:19,590 --> 01:41:17,760
know up the chain

2385
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:19,600
when somebody says okay

2386
01:41:25,669 --> 01:41:22,880
if we need to react where did you get

2387
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:25,679
where where's this coming from is some

2388
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:27,760
is somebody gonna say

2389
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:30,239
this is from a psychic spy

2390
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:33,040
or

2391
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:35,520
because in those cases where the

2392
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:37,920
sourcing was revealed

2393
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:40,880
in most cases it did not go well right

2394
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:42,719
because the people who got the

2395
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:44,639
information once they heard where it

2396
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:46,880
came from oftentimes just totally

2397
01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:50,159
discounted it and rejected it okay and

2398
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:52,560
and that's unfortunate in one instance

2399
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:54,239
it wasn't in the unit this was

2400
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:55,679
afterwards during the global war on

2401
01:41:59,350 --> 01:41:57,360
terror

2402
01:42:02,550 --> 01:41:59,360
one of the army major reserve commands

2403
01:42:06,149 --> 01:42:02,560
had had some people kidnapped by uh

2404
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:06,159
al-qaeda in iraq okay a convoy was taken

2405
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:08,320
out and a couple of the guards were

2406
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:10,560
captured one of them was found no one of

2407
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:12,400
them escaped before anything happened to

2408
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:15,040
him the other one they were sure was

2409
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:17,040
dead but they wanted to get his remains

2410
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:18,000
back

2411
01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:21,119
so at certain point the general officer

2412
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:22,080
the

2413
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:28,800
day-to-day operations of this major

2414
01:42:32,310 --> 01:42:29,679
command

2415
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:32,320
contacted me and asked us to do try and

2416
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:34,000
find these guys you know this guy's

2417
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:35,360
remains

2418
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:36,960
and so i explained how we needed to do

2419
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:38,880
it he gave me a lieutenant colonel who's

2420
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:41,040
a liaison at the pentagon for the the

2421
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:43,280
operation we talked back and forth i

2422
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:44,400
explained how we were going to have to

2423
01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:45,920
do it we did it we've reduced some

2424
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:47,440
results so we presented the results to

2425
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:48,800
them and said

2426
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:50,080
the way it works is you don't just

2427
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:51,840
answer the question right off sometimes

2428
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:54,000
you have to go through several

2429
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:56,000
layers of taskings that's the way all

2430
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,400
intelligence happens you get a first cut

2431
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,480
and then you need to drill down and and

2432
01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:02,320
get more specifics right so we wanted to

2433
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:03,520
do it that way

2434
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:05,199
we gave him the first cut

2435
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:06,960
there's a task force on the ground whose

2436
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:10,800
assignment was to find this guy and they

2437
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,880
provided this information to the task

2438
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:14,880
force and asked for their valuation and

2439
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:16,880
told them where it came from

2440
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:18,480
and the task force

2441
01:43:22,950 --> 01:43:21,119
refused to use our information because

2442
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:22,960
of where it came from

2443
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:24,480
unfortunately we were not able to get

2444
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:26,560
the specifics but they ultimately

2445
01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:28,639
located the guy's remains

2446
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:29,920
and

2447
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:32,320
the general setting that we described

2448
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:34,000
and all my viewers were double blind on

2449
01:43:37,510 --> 01:43:35,520
this they had no idea everything to the

2450
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:37,520
middle east they had no idea it had

2451
01:43:41,350 --> 01:43:39,199
anything to do with the missing soldier

2452
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:41,360
yet their information was highly

2453
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:44,400
consistent with that scenario

2454
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:45,840
a lot of what they produced was

2455
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:48,400
accurately describe the general

2456
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:50,480
setting for this and i think we could

2457
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:52,400
have found him if they had

2458
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:55,040
cooperated with us and helped us refine

2459
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:56,960
our tasking to get more specific but

2460
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:00,159
they didn't now you brought up pat price

2461
01:44:05,109 --> 01:44:02,639
now there was a transition that you

2462
01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:05,119
brought up earlier

2463
01:44:12,270 --> 01:44:09,199
from the army uh to the cia

2464
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:12,280
um and that happened in uh

2465
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:16,400
1990 91-ish so there's two transitions

2466
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:19,280
one was from the army to the dia defense

2467
01:44:23,669 --> 01:44:21,040
intelligence agency people don't know

2468
01:44:26,709 --> 01:44:23,679
what that means but the dia is kind of

2469
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:26,719
the military services version of the cia

2470
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:28,800
it's strictly military intelligence then

2471
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:30,800
in 1995

2472
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:34,400
it transitioned from dia to cia

2473
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:35,280
okay

2474
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:36,880
and that was ordered by

2475
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:39,119
congress congress wanted dia to give it

2476
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:40,639
up to the cia

2477
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:43,920
mistakenly mistakingly thinking the cia

2478
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:46,480
would actually make good use of this

2479
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:48,560
but that isn't what happened

2480
01:44:51,109 --> 01:44:49,760
well

2481
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:51,119
no that's

2482
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:53,760
what we were told

2483
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:54,800
is the

2484
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:58,000
project still continuing today under

2485
01:45:00,629 --> 01:44:59,760
another name

2486
01:45:02,709 --> 01:45:00,639
no

2487
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:02,719
are you sure yes

2488
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:05,360
now let me say sure i'm sure to the 95

2489
01:45:08,950 --> 01:45:08,000
percentile that it is not i i can tell

2490
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:08,960
you 100

2491
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:10,400
it's not happening in the military

2492
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:12,719
services they are not doing it i can

2493
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:14,159
guarantee you that

2494
01:45:18,550 --> 01:45:17,199
it's about 95 certain that the cia is

2495
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:18,560
not doing it

2496
01:45:22,470 --> 01:45:19,600
okay

2497
01:45:24,390 --> 01:45:22,480
now there's a somewhat of a chance that

2498
01:45:26,229 --> 01:45:24,400
nsa is doing it

2499
01:45:27,990 --> 01:45:26,239
they had a program at the same time that

2500
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:28,000
dia had one

2501
01:45:32,709 --> 01:45:30,320
i have not heard that it was shut down

2502
01:45:34,149 --> 01:45:32,719
there's been some whistleblowers stuff

2503
01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:34,159
that came out that suggested they may

2504
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:36,320
still be doing a program so it's

2505
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:38,320
possible cias do i don't know for a fact

2506
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:40,320
but it's possible they're doing it and i

2507
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:42,000
hope they are

2508
01:45:47,109 --> 01:45:44,320
now i hope they're doing this i i i

2509
01:45:49,109 --> 01:45:47,119
don't want to uh spend a whole lot of

2510
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:49,119
time on pat price

2511
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:52,239
but uh it's it's something that needs to

2512
01:45:56,950 --> 01:45:54,719
be discussed and so let's let's do this

2513
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:56,960
in a in a in an

2514
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:00,000
unable or an abridged version

2515
01:46:07,030 --> 01:46:02,480
um he had one of the most remarkable

2516
01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:07,040
careers he was a very colorful guy

2517
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:09,040
he was

2518
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:11,119
an eddie van halen

2519
01:46:14,070 --> 01:46:12,480
rock star

2520
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:14,080
remote viewer

2521
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:16,960
but he also put it yes but yes but he

2522
01:46:20,950 --> 01:46:19,440
also knew that didn't he and so did the

2523
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:20,960
cia

2524
01:46:23,910 --> 01:46:22,320
yes

2525
01:46:25,189 --> 01:46:23,920
so

2526
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:25,199
did

2527
01:46:31,270 --> 01:46:28,880
how okay in your opinion

2528
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:31,280
how did things come to a close for pat

2529
01:46:34,709 --> 01:46:33,040
price

2530
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:34,719
well he died

2531
01:46:39,189 --> 01:46:37,520
well we know that part

2532
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:39,199
so here's the interest i mean there's

2533
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:40,960
there is a certain element

2534
01:46:43,750 --> 01:46:42,239
i i don't spend a lot of time worrying

2535
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:43,760
about conspiracy theories right right

2536
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:45,199
but there is a certain level of

2537
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:47,119
conspiracy that goes on with pat price

2538
01:46:51,830 --> 01:46:49,440
yes now here's what people say they say

2539
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:51,840
well the cia killed him right

2540
01:46:57,510 --> 01:46:54,960
but that's absolutely false because the

2541
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:57,520
cia hired him

2542
01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:00,000
he he was working with with the folks at

2543
01:47:04,790 --> 01:47:02,560
sri hal put off and those guys right he

2544
01:47:06,470 --> 01:47:04,800
was working with them and the cia came

2545
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:06,480
along and hired him out from under them

2546
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:09,119
because he was so good so he was working

2547
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:11,280
for them at the time there is absolutely

2548
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:12,960
no motivation from them to kill him

2549
01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:14,560
because he was providing them good data

2550
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:17,440
that they couldn't get any other way now

2551
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:19,440
i talked to his doc one of his daughters

2552
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:20,960
he's had a lot of kids i talked to one

2553
01:47:25,510 --> 01:47:23,360
of his daughters about this and she said

2554
01:47:27,990 --> 01:47:25,520
he had personally told her

2555
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:28,000
two weeks before he died that the cia or

2556
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:31,920
not the cia the kgb was going to get him

2557
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:33,040
and

2558
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:37,040
she's a little bit worried about it but

2559
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:39,280
what do you do he said the ci's gonna

2560
01:47:42,790 --> 01:47:41,440
you're gonna gonna kill me or at very

2561
01:47:45,750 --> 01:47:42,800
least try to kill me

2562
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:45,760
so two weeks later he's in las vegas

2563
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,480
and he's in his hotel room and he dies

2564
01:47:52,070 --> 01:47:50,320
and there's a call go out for an

2565
01:47:53,430 --> 01:47:52,080
ambulance the ambulance comes up picks

2566
01:47:55,510 --> 01:47:53,440
him up

2567
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:55,520
takes his body away

2568
01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:57,840
but doesn't take it anywhere anybody

2569
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:00,320
knows where it is he's missing his body

2570
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:03,280
is missing for 24 hours

2571
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:05,040
and then mysteriously shows up in the

2572
01:48:08,310 --> 01:48:07,520
morgue where it wasn't before

2573
01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:08,320
so

2574
01:48:12,629 --> 01:48:10,239
the mystery is what happened to pat

2575
01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:12,639
bryce's body during those 24 hours and i

2576
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:14,400
have a scenario in my head whether it's

2577
01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:16,000
true or not i can't tell you but it

2578
01:48:19,990 --> 01:48:17,520
makes sense

2579
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:20,000
that the cia did kill i mean not the cia

2580
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:22,000
keep getting that mixed up the kgb did

2581
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:22,960
kill him

2582
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:23,920
okay

2583
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:26,320
and and probably with one of those uh

2584
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:27,600
those chemicals that they use to

2585
01:48:31,669 --> 01:48:29,280
assassinate people that mimic a heart

2586
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:31,679
attack sure but they wanted that to

2587
01:48:35,350 --> 01:48:33,280
dissipate they didn't want there to be

2588
01:48:38,149 --> 01:48:35,360
any link and so they took his body away

2589
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:38,159
somewhere and brought it back after

2590
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:41,280
the the the chemical had dissipated

2591
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:43,600
and then you know he was known to have a

2592
01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:46,560
bad heart so from that point on uh

2593
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:48,080
that was the scenario it was a bad heart

2594
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:50,080
now people say well pat price actually

2595
01:48:55,270 --> 01:48:52,639
wasn't killed he disappeared but both

2596
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:55,280
hal put off and his daughter the

2597
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:57,360
daughter i talked to saw him in that

2598
01:49:02,229 --> 01:48:59,679
casket and said it was absolutely pat

2599
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:02,239
price he really was dead

2600
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:05,360
the uh the program itself so he went to

2601
01:49:13,270 --> 01:49:10,239
go work for the cia the cia uh i'm still

2602
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:13,280
i'm saying allegedly uh shut the program

2603
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:16,239
down well the reason why i say that and

2604
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:18,480
this is this is where i'm going with

2605
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:19,679
this

2606
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:22,560
it is an economically

2607
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:24,719
smart program

2608
01:49:29,189 --> 01:49:26,400
you're not paying for assets in the

2609
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:29,199
field you're not risking human lives you

2610
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:32,320
don't it's totally clandestine you are

2611
01:49:36,629 --> 01:49:34,719
truly undercover because you don't have

2612
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:36,639
to worry about uh somebody trying to

2613
01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:39,199
roam the halls of the kremlin and and

2614
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:41,920
getting discovered or any other country

2615
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:44,400
um the plane tickets housing

2616
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:46,080
all of that stuff

2617
01:49:51,910 --> 01:49:48,960
uh that that are traceable right all of

2618
01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:51,920
that stuff gets taken out of the play

2619
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:54,880
why wouldn't that program be a major

2620
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:58,159
focus so here's the problem

2621
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:00,639
the history of the program in

2622
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:02,960
the intelligence community and in the

2623
01:50:08,070 --> 01:50:05,920
military was a very checkered one people

2624
01:50:09,910 --> 01:50:08,080
were out to close the program down other

2625
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:09,920
people were out to keep it going and

2626
01:50:13,990 --> 01:50:12,080
here's the reason because there are

2627
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:14,000
skeptics in the government as well

2628
01:50:18,070 --> 01:50:16,400
people who absolutely refuse to

2629
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:18,080
acknowledge that there's any possibility

2630
01:50:22,390 --> 01:50:20,000
that remote viewing is real

2631
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:22,400
and in fact what happened at the end was

2632
01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:24,239
there were skeptics left and the

2633
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:26,800
proponents the supporters weren't they

2634
01:50:31,589 --> 01:50:29,280
had either died or retired so

2635
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:31,599
the director of the central intelligence

2636
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:33,760
agency when congress tried to force the

2637
01:50:37,750 --> 01:50:36,320
cia to take it was what's his name

2638
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:37,760
robert deutsch i keep thinking i need to

2639
01:50:42,550 --> 01:50:39,760
look that up that i don't anyway deutsch

2640
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:42,560
or maybe it's john deutch whatever

2641
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:45,360
he was he was known he was a known

2642
01:50:49,750 --> 01:50:47,920
skeptic he was famous for kicking people

2643
01:50:51,669 --> 01:50:49,760
out of his office if they even brought

2644
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:51,679
up the subject to remote viewing

2645
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:54,000
if there was anybody who did not want to

2646
01:50:58,629 --> 01:50:56,239
do the cia to do remote viewing it was

2647
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:58,639
him and he was the boss

2648
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:00,719
he was the head of the cia

2649
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:02,960
and there were others down the food

2650
01:51:07,510 --> 01:51:05,440
chain who are equally skeptical and

2651
01:51:10,550 --> 01:51:07,520
equally resistant the reason it went

2652
01:51:13,350 --> 01:51:10,560
from dia to cia was because the director

2653
01:51:15,910 --> 01:51:13,360
of the dia was the same three well at

2654
01:51:18,629 --> 01:51:15,920
that time three star general who had

2655
01:51:20,870 --> 01:51:18,639
kicked remote viewing out of the army

2656
01:51:23,189 --> 01:51:20,880
he had come in replaced the current

2657
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:23,199
general general uh bert stubblebind

2658
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:25,199
which many of you have probably heard of

2659
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:28,000
he he'd replaced double bind and within

2660
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:29,440
about three weeks of replacing

2661
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:31,360
stubblebind he had closed down the

2662
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:32,800
army's program

2663
01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:35,520
and di only dia which had more

2664
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:36,719
horsepower

2665
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:38,639
saying they wanted to pick it up that's

2666
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:40,080
the only thing that saved it from being

2667
01:51:44,870 --> 01:51:41,840
gone for good at that point

2668
01:51:48,629 --> 01:51:44,880
so when he comes along and takes over

2669
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:48,639
dia about three years later so here's

2670
01:51:52,629 --> 01:51:50,400
the guy that was biased against more of

2671
01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:52,639
you in the first place now has inherited

2672
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:55,040
it by virtue of taking over dia

2673
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:57,520
so he was happy to see it go

2674
01:52:01,510 --> 01:51:59,679
but the guy who was in charge of the

2675
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:01,520
agency that's supposed to pick it up was

2676
01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:04,800
also a skeptic and so ultimately

2677
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:06,320
whatever role he played i don't know

2678
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:08,239
what role he played but whatever role he

2679
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:10,960
did or didn't play the agency itself did

2680
01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:13,280
not want to pick it up and so the day

2681
01:52:18,550 --> 01:52:15,040
they were assigned to take it

2682
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,560
january i'm sorry june 30th

2683
01:52:22,470 --> 01:52:20,480
of 1995

2684
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:22,480
the very day that they were handed the

2685
01:52:28,390 --> 01:52:26,320
keys they closed the program down

2686
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:28,400
at its peak

2687
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:31,920
how many remote viewers were in

2688
01:52:40,310 --> 01:52:38,390
in the platoon

2689
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:40,320
um well i have to go back and think i

2690
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:42,960
think probably the most we had eight at

2691
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:44,719
one time

2692
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:45,920
yeah

2693
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:47,599
and that includes some folks in training

2694
01:52:50,629 --> 01:52:49,679
and stuff uh usually it was fewer than

2695
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:50,639
that

2696
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,280
um i did add up all the people who were

2697
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:55,760
involved in the army fort meade part of

2698
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:57,360
it okay there was plenty of folks

2699
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:59,520
outside of that but in the army fort

2700
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:01,440
meade part of it if you added up

2701
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:03,840
everybody including secretarial staff it

2702
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:06,400
was mounted to about 45 people total

2703
01:53:09,990 --> 01:53:08,239
well that's pretty did you guys have

2704
01:53:11,669 --> 01:53:10,000
your own patch

2705
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:11,679
we should have but we can't couldn't

2706
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:13,599
wear a uniform so

2707
01:53:17,830 --> 01:53:16,320
ah what did you still get a patch though

2708
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:17,840
you'd think so wouldn't you you would

2709
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:20,400
think no no that was the security risk

2710
01:53:24,310 --> 01:53:22,560
right right having a patch that you know

2711
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:24,320
like the all-seeing eye you know like my

2712
01:53:29,189 --> 01:53:26,880
logo or something now uh speaking of all

2713
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:29,199
seeing eye that's where i want to go

2714
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:31,440
next um

2715
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:33,760
aside from the military and those

2716
01:53:40,149 --> 01:53:37,599
applications uh there are other versions

2717
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:40,159
of remote viewing and let's touch into

2718
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:40,960
that

2719
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:43,199
what about remote viewing

2720
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:48,629
well that works just as well as remote

2721
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:50,320
viewing the present

2722
01:53:54,629 --> 01:53:52,719
and it it that that's not a kind of

2723
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:54,639
remote viewing that's an application so

2724
01:53:58,310 --> 01:53:56,000
you can use any kind of remote viewing

2725
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:58,320
to do that now the one problem with the

2726
01:54:01,990 --> 01:54:00,159
distant past is

2727
01:54:04,629 --> 01:54:02,000
it's hard to verify whether you got it

2728
01:54:05,910 --> 01:54:04,639
right or not you can't right so if

2729
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:05,920
you're gonna

2730
01:54:09,669 --> 01:54:07,440
do the obvious right you're going to

2731
01:54:13,109 --> 01:54:09,679
remote view the crucifixion

2732
01:54:17,589 --> 01:54:13,119
yeah right uh that it would does that

2733
01:54:19,669 --> 01:54:17,599
fall under opinion right is that is that

2734
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:19,679
and and i say that

2735
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:22,080
a little cavalierish

2736
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:24,960
but not really

2737
01:54:28,709 --> 01:54:26,960
yeah um

2738
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:28,719
so in principle

2739
01:54:33,030 --> 01:54:30,080
and let's go ahead and use the the

2740
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:33,040
crucifixion as a as a past target okay

2741
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,159
right in principle you should be able to

2742
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:38,320
accurately remote view the crucifixion

2743
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:43,830
but the problem is you wouldn't be able

2744
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:45,280
to confirm whether what you got is right

2745
01:54:48,790 --> 01:54:47,119
now the thing about remote viewing

2746
01:54:51,109 --> 01:54:48,800
is isn't 100

2747
01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:51,119
right all the time there are times when

2748
01:54:54,950 --> 01:54:52,800
it is absolutely just really knocking

2749
01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:54,960
out the ballpark correct there are other

2750
01:54:58,470 --> 01:54:56,719
times when it's a mix between accurate

2751
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:58,480
stuff and and noise

2752
01:55:02,470 --> 01:55:00,719
and there are occasions i'd say roughly

2753
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:02,480
30 percent of the time

2754
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:04,400
when it just doesn't work and you just

2755
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:07,360
get nonsense right you think it's right

2756
01:55:11,109 --> 01:55:08,960
but you turn out it has no correlation

2757
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:11,119
to anything that's that's true

2758
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:12,080
so

2759
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:14,320
you can't guarantee that any given

2760
01:55:18,310 --> 01:55:15,679
remote viewing

2761
01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:18,320
attempt is going to be successful you

2762
01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:20,080
can expect that it will at least be

2763
01:55:23,589 --> 01:55:21,840
somewhat successful but there will be

2764
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:23,599
times when it isn't successful at all so

2765
01:55:30,709 --> 01:55:26,480
if you can't confirm the results that

2766
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:30,719
you produce in some way ultimately

2767
01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:32,800
then you will never know whether you

2768
01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:34,560
were one of those 30

2769
01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:36,960
cases where it just didn't work so

2770
01:55:42,070 --> 01:55:39,040
that's the problem now remote viewing

2771
01:55:43,510 --> 01:55:42,080
the crucifixion there are things we at

2772
01:55:45,990 --> 01:55:43,520
least think we know about it if the

2773
01:55:47,430 --> 01:55:46,000
bible's even reasonably accurate then

2774
01:55:48,790 --> 01:55:47,440
there are things in there that we know

2775
01:55:51,669 --> 01:55:48,800
about it so you can have somebody

2776
01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:51,679
blindly remotely crucifixion and if they

2777
01:55:55,350 --> 01:55:53,679
produce a narrative that's

2778
01:55:56,790 --> 01:55:55,360
reasonably similar to the accounts in

2779
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:56,800
the bible you expect that they're

2780
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:59,280
somewhat accurate in what they're doing

2781
01:56:03,750 --> 01:56:01,280
it's even possible they'll produce an

2782
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:03,760
accurate accuracy on some of the details

2783
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:06,320
that the bible doesn't have right but

2784
01:56:09,189 --> 01:56:07,599
you won't know that because you can't

2785
01:56:10,390 --> 01:56:09,199
verify it so if you're going to do

2786
01:56:12,149 --> 01:56:10,400
remote viewing in the past it's really

2787
01:56:13,589 --> 01:56:12,159
helpful to do something that's more

2788
01:56:16,550 --> 01:56:13,599
recent that we do have a lot of

2789
01:56:19,669 --> 01:56:16,560
information about and they they did a

2790
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:19,679
trial on this at fort meade uh just to

2791
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:22,159
see how accurate uh results from remote

2792
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:24,480
viewing the past could be right

2793
01:56:28,550 --> 01:56:26,000
and they picked the target of pearl

2794
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:28,560
harbor the attack on pearl harbor and

2795
01:56:32,390 --> 01:56:30,480
all of us worked it i worked it all this

2796
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:32,400
work that we were totally blind did not

2797
01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:34,080
know that's what it was

2798
01:56:37,589 --> 01:56:35,840
and it was really quite impressive to

2799
01:56:39,350 --> 01:56:37,599
see the results now the viewers results

2800
01:56:41,109 --> 01:56:39,360
were kind of uneven some of them were

2801
01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:41,119
really surprisingly accurate some of

2802
01:56:45,350 --> 01:56:43,199
them were had a reasonable amount of

2803
01:56:46,790 --> 01:56:45,360
data but got some things wrong right and

2804
01:56:48,390 --> 01:56:46,800
there's some speculation and stuff built

2805
01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:48,400
into it so

2806
01:56:53,109 --> 01:56:50,800
but overall it was very successful we

2807
01:56:54,070 --> 01:56:53,119
did a in fact several of the viewers

2808
01:56:54,950 --> 01:56:54,080
said

2809
01:56:56,629 --> 01:56:54,960
wow

2810
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:56,639
this reminds me of the attack on pearl

2811
01:57:00,070 --> 01:56:58,239
harbor

2812
01:57:02,790 --> 01:57:00,080
you know so you know that they were

2813
01:57:05,109 --> 01:57:02,800
getting there and uh and so

2814
01:57:07,510 --> 01:57:05,119
we were fairly confident generally

2815
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:07,520
speaking that we could do a decent job

2816
01:57:12,870 --> 01:57:10,320
on at least the not so distant past but

2817
01:57:15,589 --> 01:57:12,880
the you know reasonably historical past

2818
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:15,599
well okay so you

2819
01:57:19,189 --> 01:57:18,159
you're doing pearl harbor

2820
01:57:21,270 --> 01:57:19,199
and

2821
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:21,280
somebody

2822
01:57:25,830 --> 01:57:23,360
comes back with

2823
01:57:27,189 --> 01:57:25,840
the movie torah torah torah

2824
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:27,199
yeah

2825
01:57:32,790 --> 01:57:30,480
is that a successful remote view

2826
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:32,800
well it's successful in the sense that

2827
01:57:38,070 --> 01:57:35,360
it shows that you did get

2828
01:57:40,550 --> 01:57:38,080
uh accurate data about the target now

2829
01:57:41,990 --> 01:57:40,560
that would be actually your left brain

2830
01:57:43,910 --> 01:57:42,000
trying to come up with

2831
01:57:46,149 --> 01:57:43,920
something that to compare what you're

2832
01:57:48,390 --> 01:57:46,159
getting to so we call that analytical

2833
01:57:50,790 --> 01:57:48,400
overlay which is where your left brain

2834
01:57:53,030 --> 01:57:50,800
jumps in and then gives you

2835
01:57:55,430 --> 01:57:53,040
the wrong answer or an answer that's

2836
01:57:57,990 --> 01:57:55,440
partially wrong i would say that would

2837
01:57:59,589 --> 01:57:58,000
be a successful remote view

2838
01:58:01,750 --> 01:57:59,599
for if you're just trying to show remote

2839
01:58:03,589 --> 01:58:01,760
viewing works absolutely right now if

2840
01:58:05,189 --> 01:58:03,599
you're trying to produce

2841
01:58:07,270 --> 01:58:05,199
accurate information about a certain

2842
01:58:09,430 --> 01:58:07,280
aspect of it that wouldn't be successful

2843
01:58:11,030 --> 01:58:09,440
no if they come back with the godfather

2844
01:58:13,350 --> 01:58:11,040
okay we're off target then you know you

2845
01:58:17,750 --> 01:58:13,360
missed it you missed it you missed it

2846
01:58:19,750 --> 01:58:17,760
and um now also historically speaking uh

2847
01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:19,760
going back to and i've seen this done

2848
01:58:24,149 --> 01:58:21,520
multiple times

2849
01:58:25,990 --> 01:58:24,159
um there's so much uh

2850
01:58:29,030 --> 01:58:26,000
uh interest

2851
01:58:32,070 --> 01:58:29,040
into who built the great pyramid and how

2852
01:58:35,830 --> 01:58:32,080
that was done i've seen this done so

2853
01:58:39,109 --> 01:58:35,840
many times with uh all interesting all

2854
01:58:40,629 --> 01:58:39,119
fun results all wonderful to speculate

2855
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:40,639
and think about

2856
01:58:42,629 --> 01:58:41,360
but

2857
01:58:43,750 --> 01:58:42,639
all

2858
01:58:46,149 --> 01:58:43,760
varied

2859
01:58:48,870 --> 01:58:46,159
uh you know it's it's all over the map

2860
01:58:50,550 --> 01:58:48,880
and everybody can't be right you're out

2861
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:50,560
absolutely correct about that

2862
01:58:55,109 --> 01:58:52,560
and that's the problem oftentimes

2863
01:58:57,270 --> 01:58:55,119
usually in those settings

2864
01:58:59,350 --> 01:58:57,280
people who remote view the same target

2865
01:59:00,790 --> 01:58:59,360
that's a controversial target like

2866
01:59:02,870 --> 01:59:00,800
building the pyramids

2867
01:59:04,310 --> 01:59:02,880
very often they'll be remote viewing

2868
01:59:07,589 --> 01:59:04,320
front loaded

2869
01:59:09,589 --> 01:59:07,599
they're not blind to the target

2870
01:59:11,270 --> 01:59:09,599
they know that they're remote viewing

2871
01:59:14,229 --> 01:59:11,280
the construction of the pyramids right

2872
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:14,239
right and so at that point their left

2873
01:59:19,350 --> 01:59:16,560
brain jumps in and if they have a pet

2874
01:59:21,350 --> 01:59:19,360
theory about the pyramids

2875
01:59:24,149 --> 01:59:21,360
that's what's going to come in it's kind

2876
01:59:25,510 --> 01:59:24,159
of fake remote viewing in a way right

2877
01:59:27,750 --> 01:59:25,520
they think they're remote viewing they

2878
01:59:29,430 --> 01:59:27,760
feel like the remote viewing but their

2879
01:59:31,350 --> 01:59:29,440
story is different than someone else is

2880
01:59:33,270 --> 01:59:31,360
doing it the same way and has a

2881
01:59:36,070 --> 01:59:33,280
different pet theory about the pyramids

2882
01:59:39,350 --> 01:59:36,080
or different imagination about the

2883
01:59:41,109 --> 01:59:39,360
pyramid okay or a pet hypothesis

2884
01:59:42,390 --> 01:59:41,119
right right right

2885
01:59:44,229 --> 01:59:42,400
and so

2886
01:59:47,030 --> 01:59:44,239
there's an actual operational example of

2887
01:59:49,510 --> 01:59:47,040
this happening tw 800 that went down off

2888
01:59:51,189 --> 01:59:49,520
the off of long island right

2889
01:59:53,430 --> 01:59:51,199
at the time remote viewing was just kind

2890
01:59:55,510 --> 01:59:53,440
of emerging out of the secrecy envelope

2891
01:59:57,510 --> 01:59:55,520
it was shortly after um

2892
01:59:59,270 --> 01:59:57,520
ed james had been on art bell you know

2893
02:00:00,550 --> 01:59:59,280
and and and everybody's all excited

2894
02:00:02,310 --> 02:00:00,560
about remote viewing had all these

2895
02:00:03,830 --> 02:00:02,320
people out there who jumped up and took

2896
02:00:05,910 --> 02:00:03,840
a week-long course and said i'm a remote

2897
02:00:07,750 --> 02:00:05,920
viewer now right and so on so you get

2898
02:00:10,390 --> 02:00:07,760
all these people

2899
02:00:11,510 --> 02:00:10,400
remote viewing twa 800 and they're front

2900
02:00:13,990 --> 02:00:11,520
loaded

2901
02:00:15,350 --> 02:00:14,000
and you get one person that says it was

2902
02:00:16,790 --> 02:00:15,360
a bomb that did it you know the person

2903
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:16,800
says the missile that did another person

2904
02:00:20,390 --> 02:00:19,280
there was an accident that did it and i

2905
02:00:22,229 --> 02:00:20,400
don't know there's about three or four

2906
02:00:24,629 --> 02:00:22,239
other theories about how you know how

2907
02:00:25,990 --> 02:00:24,639
when how they what they and they it was

2908
02:00:28,550 --> 02:00:26,000
all based on what they thought was a

2909
02:00:30,709 --> 02:00:28,560
remote viewing data and so but they all

2910
02:00:33,189 --> 02:00:30,719
knew they were remote viewing tw 800 and

2911
02:00:35,910 --> 02:00:33,199
so it's all this noise in there that's

2912
02:00:37,990 --> 02:00:35,920
just totally warping the results now

2913
02:00:40,310 --> 02:00:38,000
i've got to take a break we're going to

2914
02:00:42,629 --> 02:00:40,320
continue right here this is so

2915
02:00:44,470 --> 02:00:42,639
interesting to me uh where we are

2916
02:00:46,629 --> 02:00:44,480
leaving off right now this is fade to

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black i'm yours jimmy church tonight

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02:00:51,910 --> 02:00:48,639
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2919
02:00:53,510 --> 02:00:51,920
remote viewer for stargate and where are

2920
02:00:55,510 --> 02:00:53,520
we today

2921
02:00:56,060 --> 02:00:55,520
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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church just got back from

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absolutely amazing weekend and i spent

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much of it with our guest tonight paul h

3018
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smith

3019
02:05:49,030 --> 02:05:44,880
and uh

3020
02:05:51,109 --> 02:05:49,040
now paul we just uh discussed or

3021
02:05:53,589 --> 02:05:51,119
i should do a little reset tonight we're

3022
02:05:54,790 --> 02:05:53,599
discussing remote viewing

3023
02:05:57,189 --> 02:05:54,800
and uh

3024
02:05:59,589 --> 02:05:57,199
paul was a part of uh the stargate

3025
02:06:01,990 --> 02:05:59,599
project uh at fort meade

3026
02:06:03,910 --> 02:06:02,000
in the united states army i didn't even

3027
02:06:06,310 --> 02:06:03,920
bring i'm not going to the men who

3028
02:06:09,430 --> 02:06:06,320
stared at goats we'll save that for

3029
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:09,440
another show but we were just discussing

3030
02:06:13,189 --> 02:06:10,400
um

3031
02:06:15,669 --> 02:06:13,199
uh i'm gonna somehow steer this into the

3032
02:06:17,270 --> 02:06:15,679
men who stared again um

3033
02:06:21,589 --> 02:06:17,280
the past

3034
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:21,599
can you remote view the future

3035
02:06:28,629 --> 02:06:27,350
so

3036
02:06:31,350 --> 02:06:28,639
i know what your next question is going

3037
02:06:35,589 --> 02:06:31,360
to be what do you mean

3038
02:06:39,750 --> 02:06:37,910
so yeah yeah of course

3039
02:06:41,270 --> 02:06:39,760
so it's interesting that

3040
02:06:43,750 --> 02:06:41,280
generally speaking you remote view the

3041
02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:43,760
present and the past

3042
02:06:47,990 --> 02:06:46,000
up to roughly a certain same amount of

3043
02:06:50,310 --> 02:06:48,000
accuracy but if you try to remote view

3044
02:06:53,750 --> 02:06:50,320
the future except for a certain modality

3045
02:06:58,310 --> 02:06:57,030
your success rate drops off dramatically

3046
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:58,320
and i think the reason is because the

3047
02:07:03,109 --> 02:07:00,480
future hasn't happened yet

3048
02:07:05,990 --> 02:07:03,119
right and so some things you may get

3049
02:07:09,189 --> 02:07:06,000
right but mostly because the future

3050
02:07:10,950 --> 02:07:09,199
isn't predictable in general terms

3051
02:07:12,870 --> 02:07:10,960
you're going to be wrong most of the

3052
02:07:14,229 --> 02:07:12,880
time and that shows up you get all kinds

3053
02:07:16,629 --> 02:07:14,239
of people making predictions about the

3054
02:07:18,470 --> 02:07:16,639
future and a handful of those

3055
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:18,480
predictions turn out true and the vast

3056
02:07:23,189 --> 02:07:20,480
majority just totally fail

3057
02:07:25,030 --> 02:07:23,199
and the reason you think uh

3058
02:07:26,790 --> 02:07:25,040
you know remote viewing or being psychic

3059
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:26,800
about the future fortune telling

3060
02:07:31,430 --> 02:07:28,719
whatever is something that you do with

3061
02:07:33,030 --> 02:07:31,440
this this uh stuff

3062
02:07:34,470 --> 02:07:33,040
is because you only hear about the times

3063
02:07:36,709 --> 02:07:34,480
at work you don't hear about the times

3064
02:07:38,550 --> 02:07:36,719
that fail generally speaking right

3065
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:38,560
so

3066
02:07:42,790 --> 02:07:40,800
that's a problem people want you to be

3067
02:07:43,990 --> 02:07:42,800
able to remotely the future once you be

3068
02:07:46,069 --> 02:07:44,000
able to predict the future and that's

3069
02:07:48,390 --> 02:07:46,079
hard to do now there is one modality

3070
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:48,400
that actually works pretty well

3071
02:07:52,229 --> 02:07:50,880
it's called associative remote viewing

3072
02:07:55,189 --> 02:07:52,239
and it allows you

3073
02:07:55,910 --> 02:07:55,199
within a kind of a narrow framework to

3074
02:07:57,990 --> 02:07:55,920
be

3075
02:08:00,790 --> 02:07:58,000
just as accurate about the future as you

3076
02:08:03,589 --> 02:08:00,800
are about the past or present

3077
02:08:06,310 --> 02:08:03,599
and it's useful when you have a limited

3078
02:08:08,709 --> 02:08:06,320
set of possible outcomes like is a stock

3079
02:08:10,950 --> 02:08:08,719
going to go up or go down

3080
02:08:12,790 --> 02:08:10,960
is are the dallas cowboys gonna win the

3081
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:12,800
game or are their opponents going to win

3082
02:08:18,870 --> 02:08:15,040
the game these are are

3083
02:08:21,109 --> 02:08:18,880
discreet sets of outcomes and using

3084
02:08:23,589 --> 02:08:21,119
what's called associated remote viewing

3085
02:08:27,030 --> 02:08:23,599
you can actually remotely those things

3086
02:08:28,390 --> 02:08:27,040
up to sometimes 78 accuracy

3087
02:08:29,990 --> 02:08:28,400
and it's very useful if you want to make

3088
02:08:31,669 --> 02:08:30,000
money people say well if you're psychic

3089
02:08:33,830 --> 02:08:31,679
when you're rich there are people

3090
02:08:37,189 --> 02:08:33,840
actually getting rich today using remote

3091
02:08:38,470 --> 02:08:37,199
viewing within this uh very specialized

3092
02:08:41,350 --> 02:08:38,480
application

3093
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:41,360
and what about yourself

3094
02:08:47,830 --> 02:08:44,880
do you go to a sports book

3095
02:08:49,750 --> 02:08:47,840
um i have done that well not

3096
02:08:50,870 --> 02:08:49,760
when when online sports betting was

3097
02:08:52,470 --> 02:08:50,880
legal

3098
02:08:54,229 --> 02:08:52,480
i was doing uh

3099
02:08:56,069 --> 02:08:54,239
a number of projects with some of my

3100
02:08:58,950 --> 02:08:56,079
colleagues and they were successful well

3101
02:09:01,430 --> 02:08:58,960
i say successful we did one

3102
02:09:04,709 --> 02:09:01,440
you can tell how much of an amateur we

3103
02:09:08,069 --> 02:09:04,719
i was that we were when we were doing it

3104
02:09:10,629 --> 02:09:08,079
we got a roughly 80 percent

3105
02:09:12,470 --> 02:09:10,639
correct on who was going to win games

3106
02:09:15,750 --> 02:09:12,480
you know very sporting events

3107
02:09:17,270 --> 02:09:15,760
and we still lost money

3108
02:09:19,510 --> 02:09:17,280
because we didn't know about point

3109
02:09:21,589 --> 02:09:19,520
spread

3110
02:09:24,390 --> 02:09:21,599
so that hammered us well and that's

3111
02:09:26,390 --> 02:09:24,400
that's a variable but uh

3112
02:09:28,790 --> 02:09:26,400
you guys never bet on

3113
02:09:30,550 --> 02:09:28,800
the buffalo bills hopefully

3114
02:09:33,430 --> 02:09:30,560
okay that was a bad joke that was a bad

3115
02:09:34,950 --> 02:09:33,440
joke that was just a bad joke well um

3116
02:09:35,990 --> 02:09:34,960
what about

3117
02:09:39,589 --> 02:09:36,000
uh

3118
02:09:43,030 --> 02:09:39,599
crime scene investigations

3119
02:09:44,790 --> 02:09:43,040
that's doable and has been done

3120
02:09:46,950 --> 02:09:44,800
if you can get the authorities to

3121
02:09:49,109 --> 02:09:46,960
cooperate you know as you can imagine

3122
02:09:50,550 --> 02:09:49,119
it's hard to get a police department to

3123
02:09:52,790 --> 02:09:50,560
let you in

3124
02:09:54,470 --> 02:09:52,800
uh to

3125
02:09:56,470 --> 02:09:54,480
try and

3126
02:09:58,069 --> 02:09:56,480
decipher discern what happened in a

3127
02:10:00,310 --> 02:09:58,079
crime scene and try and solve the

3128
02:10:01,669 --> 02:10:00,320
problem now there are some will do it

3129
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:01,679
but they don't let anybody else know

3130
02:10:06,069 --> 02:10:04,400
they're doing it um one of my colleagues

3131
02:10:07,910 --> 02:10:06,079
and my former sister-in-law angela

3132
02:10:09,669 --> 02:10:07,920
thompson smith actually

3133
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:09,679
that was one of the rare cases where it

3134
02:10:13,430 --> 02:10:10,880
went public

3135
02:10:16,229 --> 02:10:13,440
she did help solve a murder case

3136
02:10:19,030 --> 02:10:16,239
and and her input was directly

3137
02:10:21,350 --> 02:10:19,040
attributable to having solved that case

3138
02:10:23,189 --> 02:10:21,360
and it was admitted in court

3139
02:10:25,750 --> 02:10:23,199
and it would came out in the newspapers

3140
02:10:28,310 --> 02:10:25,760
and the investigating um let's see what

3141
02:10:31,270 --> 02:10:28,320
was it a

3142
02:10:33,030 --> 02:10:31,280
i've got this darn brain cramp uh what

3143
02:10:34,629 --> 02:10:33,040
do you call someone a detective the

3144
02:10:37,030 --> 02:10:34,639
investigating detective

3145
02:10:39,030 --> 02:10:37,040
freely admitted to journalists that the

3146
02:10:42,629 --> 02:10:39,040
information that angela had provided

3147
02:10:44,870 --> 02:10:42,639
actually solved the murder

3148
02:10:47,669 --> 02:10:44,880
why wouldn't

3149
02:10:49,750 --> 02:10:47,679
you know we we all love tv shows like

3150
02:10:51,350 --> 02:10:49,760
you know csi

3151
02:10:53,669 --> 02:10:51,360
and and how

3152
02:10:55,910 --> 02:10:53,679
how great technology is

3153
02:10:58,149 --> 02:10:55,920
but going into this other area if

3154
02:10:59,510 --> 02:10:58,159
something like this happens why wouldn't

3155
02:11:04,149 --> 02:10:59,520
every

3156
02:11:05,910 --> 02:11:04,159
uh uh you know detective uh agency at

3157
02:11:07,990 --> 02:11:05,920
every department

3158
02:11:10,629 --> 02:11:08,000
want to take advantage of something like

3159
02:11:11,669 --> 02:11:10,639
this if they're you know everything goes

3160
02:11:13,830 --> 02:11:11,679
cold

3161
02:11:15,589 --> 02:11:13,840
you need another kick in from something

3162
02:11:17,270 --> 02:11:15,599
else i would think that they would go

3163
02:11:20,390 --> 02:11:17,280
into remote viewing

3164
02:11:22,830 --> 02:11:20,400
and and and a fair number of them are

3165
02:11:24,629 --> 02:11:22,840
open to the possibility

3166
02:11:26,229 --> 02:11:24,639
um

3167
02:11:27,510 --> 02:11:26,239
there's a bunch that aren't but there's

3168
02:11:28,709 --> 02:11:27,520
a fair number who might be open the

3169
02:11:31,189 --> 02:11:28,719
possibility because they'll try anything

3170
02:11:32,709 --> 02:11:31,199
but here's the two caveats right

3171
02:11:34,310 --> 02:11:32,719
even in police departments you'll have

3172
02:11:35,669 --> 02:11:34,320
this mix between

3173
02:11:37,589 --> 02:11:35,679
supporters people who are willing to

3174
02:11:39,750 --> 02:11:37,599
give it a try and skeptics who don't

3175
02:11:41,589 --> 02:11:39,760
have anything to do with it right and so

3176
02:11:43,510 --> 02:11:41,599
depends on who is in a decision making

3177
02:11:46,310 --> 02:11:43,520
position whether you can even do it or

3178
02:11:47,910 --> 02:11:46,320
not right the other problem is even if

3179
02:11:49,270 --> 02:11:47,920
they're supportive of it even if they

3180
02:11:51,910 --> 02:11:49,280
want to do it

3181
02:11:53,589 --> 02:11:51,920
the media climate is such that they

3182
02:11:54,470 --> 02:11:53,599
can't afford

3183
02:11:55,669 --> 02:11:54,480
for

3184
02:11:58,069 --> 02:11:55,679
to be

3185
02:12:00,470 --> 02:11:58,079
found out that they're involved in using

3186
02:12:03,669 --> 02:12:00,480
any kind of esp to solve to try and

3187
02:12:04,470 --> 02:12:03,679
solve their problem because of the

3188
02:12:10,149 --> 02:12:04,480
the

3189
02:12:12,069 --> 02:12:10,159
that's

3190
02:12:14,149 --> 02:12:12,079
interestingly

3191
02:12:16,470 --> 02:12:14,159
that's one of the

3192
02:12:18,709 --> 02:12:16,480
problems that we have with this the

3193
02:12:21,990 --> 02:12:18,719
well structured the well-supported

3194
02:12:24,310 --> 02:12:22,000
well-organized skeptical anti-esp

3195
02:12:27,669 --> 02:12:24,320
climate out there is that there's a kind

3196
02:12:31,189 --> 02:12:27,679
of an ongoing vendetta against anybody

3197
02:12:36,310 --> 02:12:32,950
being you know bringing up this idea of

3198
02:12:37,830 --> 02:12:36,320
esp remote viewing what have you um it

3199
02:12:39,350 --> 02:12:37,840
gets shot down all the time and the

3200
02:12:41,910 --> 02:12:39,360
media is

3201
02:12:43,910 --> 02:12:41,920
an accomplice to that largely

3202
02:12:45,589 --> 02:12:43,920
you'll see when they when the media does

3203
02:12:47,990 --> 02:12:45,599
a report on

3204
02:12:50,550 --> 02:12:48,000
on maybe some science uh that's been

3205
02:12:52,950 --> 02:12:50,560
produced in a parapsychology lab a good

3206
02:12:55,030 --> 02:12:52,960
example is daryl bem who did some

3207
02:12:58,470 --> 02:12:55,040
really hard

3208
02:13:00,830 --> 02:12:58,480
rigorous uh research into

3209
02:13:03,830 --> 02:13:00,840
a kind of representative or a

3210
02:13:06,229 --> 02:13:03,840
precognitive modality

3211
02:13:08,069 --> 02:13:06,239
published in mainstream journal

3212
02:13:10,069 --> 02:13:08,079
the media was all over that you know

3213
02:13:12,550 --> 02:13:10,079
they would they would report the the

3214
02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:12,560
results but then they would get a

3215
02:13:15,990 --> 02:13:14,400
skeptic in who actually didn't even know

3216
02:13:17,830 --> 02:13:16,000
what they were talking about but they

3217
02:13:19,750 --> 02:13:17,840
just came in to give the skeptical view

3218
02:13:22,390 --> 02:13:19,760
of it and then there would be ridicule

3219
02:13:24,470 --> 02:13:22,400
and mockery developed sometimes even

3220
02:13:25,830 --> 02:13:24,480
within the very story reporting now not

3221
02:13:27,589 --> 02:13:25,840
all of them are like that but there's

3222
02:13:29,750 --> 02:13:27,599
enough of it that even a police

3223
02:13:31,510 --> 02:13:29,760
department is not going to want to them

3224
02:13:34,709 --> 02:13:31,520
to find out

3225
02:13:37,189 --> 02:13:34,719
that

3226
02:13:40,629 --> 02:13:37,199
their taxpayers are are paying for an

3227
02:13:42,229 --> 02:13:40,639
investigation that is using esp right

3228
02:13:43,910 --> 02:13:42,239
it's what we call the giggle factory in

3229
02:13:46,149 --> 02:13:43,920
the military that's one of the reasons

3230
02:13:48,470 --> 02:13:46,159
the program was classified because if it

3231
02:13:49,990 --> 02:13:48,480
became publicly known then the media be

3232
02:13:51,109 --> 02:13:50,000
pointing his finger at

3233
02:13:52,629 --> 02:13:51,119
the government saying look at all this

3234
02:13:55,030 --> 02:13:52,639
money they're wasting i mean

3235
02:13:56,830 --> 02:13:55,040
you get that even now right well

3236
02:14:00,229 --> 02:13:56,840
did that happen though

3237
02:14:01,669 --> 02:14:00,239
uh uh you know we all know about the

3238
02:14:03,030 --> 02:14:01,679
missile gap

3239
02:14:07,270 --> 02:14:03,040
right okay

3240
02:14:10,790 --> 02:14:07,280
uh with the soviet union was there an rv

3241
02:14:12,950 --> 02:14:10,800
an rv gap right were they well

3242
02:14:14,550 --> 02:14:12,960
were

3243
02:14:15,510 --> 02:14:14,560
they don't want you guys to run out in

3244
02:14:18,310 --> 02:14:15,520
front of

3245
02:14:20,310 --> 02:14:18,320
them with the technology are they going

3246
02:14:22,390 --> 02:14:20,320
to match us with

3247
02:14:23,750 --> 02:14:22,400
remote viewers

3248
02:14:24,950 --> 02:14:23,760
well

3249
02:14:27,510 --> 02:14:24,960
what people often don't know about the

3250
02:14:28,390 --> 02:14:27,520
missile gap is there at first wasn't a

3251
02:14:30,629 --> 02:14:28,400
gap

3252
02:14:31,830 --> 02:14:30,639
we thought there was and so we used the

3253
02:14:33,350 --> 02:14:31,840
missile gap

3254
02:14:34,709 --> 02:14:33,360
uh you know the threat that the russians

3255
02:14:37,589 --> 02:14:34,719
were ahead of us

3256
02:14:39,030 --> 02:14:37,599
to ramp up our missile programs right

3257
02:14:40,390 --> 02:14:39,040
well after the fact they started

3258
02:14:43,030 --> 02:14:40,400
researching he discovered the russians

3259
02:14:45,910 --> 02:14:43,040
weren't ahead of us at all right right

3260
02:14:46,870 --> 02:14:45,920
right right but but it served to start a

3261
02:15:10,470 --> 02:14:46,880
a

3262
02:15:11,990 --> 02:15:10,480
with somebody on the shore turns out the

3263
02:15:13,589 --> 02:15:12,000
story probably wasn't true probably

3264
02:15:15,830 --> 02:15:13,599
didn't even actually happen but the

3265
02:15:17,350 --> 02:15:15,840
russians thought it did and so they

3266
02:15:19,430 --> 02:15:17,360
already were researching some of this

3267
02:15:20,470 --> 02:15:19,440
stuff that ramped up their interest in

3268
02:15:23,669 --> 02:15:20,480
it well

3269
02:15:25,109 --> 02:15:23,679
then the cia and the dia are seeing

3270
02:15:27,109 --> 02:15:25,119
these stories about the russians

3271
02:15:29,270 --> 02:15:27,119
wrapping up their research into into

3272
02:15:30,790 --> 02:15:29,280
what we would call paranormal subjects

3273
02:15:32,390 --> 02:15:30,800
and and they were literally spending

3274
02:15:34,629 --> 02:15:32,400
hundreds of millions of dollars on it

3275
02:15:37,189 --> 02:15:34,639
you know we get yelled at for spending

3276
02:15:40,149 --> 02:15:37,199
20 to 25 million over a quarter of a

3277
02:15:42,790 --> 02:15:40,159
century on esp the russians were

3278
02:15:44,950 --> 02:15:42,800
spending hundreds of millions of dollars

3279
02:15:47,270 --> 02:15:44,960
over a decade or two way more than we

3280
02:15:50,629 --> 02:15:47,280
ever spent right so anyway they're doing

3281
02:15:52,629 --> 02:15:50,639
this and the cia says holy cats look at

3282
02:15:54,310 --> 02:15:52,639
what they're doing here we don't know if

3283
02:15:57,430 --> 02:15:54,320
this is true or not but we better find

3284
02:15:58,069 --> 02:15:57,440
out right and so we started researching

3285
02:16:00,390 --> 02:15:58,079
it

3286
02:16:02,390 --> 02:16:00,400
and as far as i can tell and i'm not an

3287
02:16:05,669 --> 02:16:02,400
expert on this ed may who is one of the

3288
02:16:06,790 --> 02:16:05,679
scientists has since gotten to

3289
02:16:09,589 --> 02:16:06,800
in with the

3290
02:16:12,229 --> 02:16:09,599
former soviet researchers

3291
02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:12,239
but it appears that we actually were

3292
02:16:16,149 --> 02:16:13,920
quite more advanced than them at least

3293
02:16:18,790 --> 02:16:16,159
in the remote viewing part of it

3294
02:16:20,069 --> 02:16:18,800
based on us us panicking about them

3295
02:16:23,350 --> 02:16:20,079
being ahead of us

3296
02:16:25,589 --> 02:16:23,360
so in in a weird way you help bring down

3297
02:16:29,030 --> 02:16:25,599
the berlin wall by

3298
02:16:30,830 --> 02:16:29,040
forcing them to overspend

3299
02:16:35,349 --> 02:16:30,840
probably

3300
02:16:38,790 --> 02:16:35,359
contributed um and uh to that end

3301
02:16:41,270 --> 02:16:38,800
when i i can only imagine you guys uh

3302
02:16:43,589 --> 02:16:41,280
were actually remote viewing each other

3303
02:16:47,509 --> 02:16:43,599
at the same time and suddenly

3304
02:16:49,429 --> 02:16:47,519
frequencies are are clashing um uh and

3305
02:16:54,790 --> 02:16:49,439
picking up on these signals

3306
02:16:57,669 --> 02:16:54,800
if you are remote viewing into an office

3307
02:16:59,669 --> 02:16:57,679
could somebody in that office

3308
02:17:00,950 --> 02:16:59,679
feel you

3309
02:17:02,549 --> 02:17:00,960
right

3310
02:17:03,669 --> 02:17:02,559
you know what i mean and know that you

3311
02:17:06,549 --> 02:17:03,679
are there

3312
02:17:08,790 --> 02:17:06,559
so my standard answer is no

3313
02:17:11,990 --> 02:17:08,800
generally speaking as near as they could

3314
02:17:13,589 --> 02:17:12,000
tell the researchers at sri and saic

3315
02:17:16,469 --> 02:17:13,599
generally speaking

3316
02:17:18,389 --> 02:17:16,479
uh there was no indication that anyone

3317
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:18,399
at a location that's being remote viewed

3318
02:17:22,709 --> 02:17:20,479
could tell they were being remote viewed

3319
02:17:25,910 --> 02:17:22,719
now there are these little anecdotes

3320
02:17:28,870 --> 02:17:25,920
that suggest every once in a while

3321
02:17:31,030 --> 02:17:28,880
somebody is aware um joe mcmanugle tells

3322
02:17:32,709 --> 02:17:31,040
a story that he was remote viewing a

3323
02:17:34,790 --> 02:17:32,719
target and discovered there was a

3324
02:17:36,709 --> 02:17:34,800
chinese female removed you were also

3325
02:17:38,150 --> 02:17:36,719
remote viewing the target and both of

3326
02:17:39,990 --> 02:17:38,160
them were aware of each other right

3327
02:17:42,150 --> 02:17:40,000
that's what i'm talking about right yeah

3328
02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:42,160
right now is that true i don't know

3329
02:17:46,629 --> 02:17:44,880
remote viewing uh can involve a fantasy

3330
02:17:47,669 --> 02:17:46,639
home where you believe something is

3331
02:17:49,589 --> 02:17:47,679
happening

3332
02:17:51,910 --> 02:17:49,599
um and it seems to you like it's

3333
02:17:53,509 --> 02:17:51,920
happening but in cases where you get

3334
02:17:55,990 --> 02:17:53,519
feedback you find out it wasn't it was

3335
02:17:59,190 --> 02:17:56,000
imagination right now was this

3336
02:18:01,270 --> 02:17:59,200
imagination with joe i don't know

3337
02:18:03,270 --> 02:18:01,280
and there's no way to know so

3338
02:18:05,429 --> 02:18:03,280
so i'm going to say

3339
02:18:06,709 --> 02:18:05,439
almost certainly you can't be detected

3340
02:18:09,190 --> 02:18:06,719
at the target

3341
02:18:10,790 --> 02:18:09,200
but we don't know everything about it so

3342
02:18:13,030 --> 02:18:10,800
possibly there might be occasions when

3343
02:18:14,389 --> 02:18:13,040
you could be now uh

3344
02:18:16,950 --> 02:18:14,399
let's uh

3345
02:18:18,790 --> 02:18:16,960
continue here but i want to push it a

3346
02:18:20,549 --> 02:18:18,800
little bit further out

3347
02:18:23,589 --> 02:18:20,559
into space

3348
02:18:24,389 --> 02:18:23,599
did you remote view soviet satellites

3349
02:18:27,110 --> 02:18:24,399
soviet

3350
02:18:28,790 --> 02:18:27,120
rocket technology the dark side of the

3351
02:18:31,830 --> 02:18:28,800
moon

3352
02:18:32,790 --> 02:18:31,840
i was tasked to remote view a soviet

3353
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:32,800
mirv

3354
02:18:38,150 --> 02:18:35,280
if you know what a merv is multiple

3355
02:18:39,030 --> 02:18:38,160
independent re-entry vehicle whoa good

3356
02:18:42,549 --> 02:18:39,040
job

3357
02:18:46,870 --> 02:18:42,559
star i'd glue it to your forehead right

3358
02:18:48,950 --> 02:18:46,880
now oh whoa i'm not just guitars people

3359
02:18:51,589 --> 02:18:48,960
yeah exactly so in other words we're

3360
02:18:53,830 --> 02:18:51,599
talking about a multiple warhead missile

3361
02:18:55,270 --> 02:18:53,840
right honorary entry i was tasked to

3362
02:18:57,910 --> 02:18:55,280
remote view that

3363
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:57,920
not knowing that was what i was doing

3364
02:19:02,389 --> 02:18:59,920
and in fact i successfully did it

3365
02:19:04,549 --> 02:19:02,399
because we then were able to compare it

3366
02:19:08,790 --> 02:19:04,559
to what the tasking was and i got it

3367
02:19:10,709 --> 02:19:08,800
correct now in fact on my blog

3368
02:19:12,150 --> 02:19:10,719
i actually have that session on my blog

3369
02:19:14,469 --> 02:19:12,160
with some of my sketches and stuff and

3370
02:19:16,549 --> 02:19:14,479
comparison feedback photos

3371
02:19:18,070 --> 02:19:16,559
it's the remote viewing slash remote

3372
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:18,080
perception blog

3373
02:19:20,790 --> 02:19:19,280
two

3374
02:19:22,389 --> 02:19:20,800
four words with a slash in the middle

3375
02:19:24,709 --> 02:19:22,399
remote viewing slash remote perception

3376
02:19:26,150 --> 02:19:24,719
you can go on there and see that session

3377
02:19:27,669 --> 02:19:26,160
and um

3378
02:19:29,429 --> 02:19:27,679
and you know i was pretty proud of

3379
02:19:32,629 --> 02:19:29,439
myself because

3380
02:19:33,349 --> 02:19:32,639
i was tested the time it was re-entering

3381
02:19:38,309 --> 02:19:33,359
so

3382
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:38,319
was that was pretty fun and what about

3383
02:19:44,549 --> 02:19:39,200
uh

3384
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:44,559
dark side of the moon or what is going

3385
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:46,000
on there

3386
02:19:51,030 --> 02:19:48,240
well i've been there

3387
02:19:54,550 --> 02:19:51,040
remote viewing-wise and

3388
02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:54,560
well they're gonna let you off the hook

3389
02:19:59,270 --> 02:19:56,560
i'm not gonna tell you now

3390
02:20:01,349 --> 02:19:59,280
oh okay all right i will so let me give

3391
02:20:03,030 --> 02:20:01,359
you backstory i'm not absolutely sure i

3392
02:20:04,710 --> 02:20:03,040
was accurate on this it's hard to tell

3393
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:04,720
because it's one of those cases where

3394
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:06,720
you don't have actual feedback right

3395
02:20:10,790 --> 02:20:08,880
but ingo swann uh

3396
02:20:13,750 --> 02:20:10,800
long after i was out of the program in

3397
02:20:16,389 --> 02:20:13,760
fact after i was retired from the army

3398
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:16,399
he was asked to do a remote viewing

3399
02:20:20,870 --> 02:20:18,880
project against the the

3400
02:20:23,110 --> 02:20:20,880
dark side of the moon as we call it

3401
02:20:26,150 --> 02:20:23,120
and so he invited me to participate so

3402
02:20:27,990 --> 02:20:26,160
there's ingo and myself and another guy

3403
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:28,000
and we remote view the dark side of the

3404
02:20:31,590 --> 02:20:30,000
moon and i have some very weird things i

3405
02:20:32,630 --> 02:20:31,600
did not know i was on the dark side of

3406
02:20:34,950 --> 02:20:32,640
the moon

3407
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:34,960
he just gave me some coordinates

3408
02:20:39,910 --> 02:20:37,120
did not tell me it was the moon at all

3409
02:20:42,550 --> 02:20:39,920
and so i started perceiving this and

3410
02:20:44,710 --> 02:20:42,560
one of my one of my reactions was

3411
02:20:45,990 --> 02:20:44,720
wow there's not much air here

3412
02:20:48,309 --> 02:20:46,000
right

3413
02:20:49,830 --> 02:20:48,319
and i got mounds and it was very barren

3414
02:20:50,950 --> 02:20:49,840
and all this stuff and one of the things

3415
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:50,960
i got

3416
02:20:57,190 --> 02:20:54,160
was an underground cavern in which there

3417
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:57,200
was activity going on what

3418
02:21:01,830 --> 02:21:00,080
yes and activity going on and i got

3419
02:21:04,230 --> 02:21:01,840
perception of this

3420
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:04,240
vehicle emerging from this and i say

3421
02:21:08,070 --> 02:21:06,640
flying except there wasn't air and i and

3422
02:21:10,550 --> 02:21:08,080
i drew a sketch of it it was kind of

3423
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:10,560
like a manta ray shape sort of

3424
02:21:14,870 --> 02:21:13,040
uh as best i can i can tell just

3425
02:21:17,670 --> 02:21:14,880
describing it in words

3426
02:21:19,270 --> 02:21:17,680
and i felt like it was

3427
02:21:22,630 --> 02:21:19,280
now you remember this is before the

3428
02:21:24,790 --> 02:21:22,640
second iteration of battlestar galactica

3429
02:21:27,429 --> 02:21:24,800
i felt like this thing was both

3430
02:21:31,750 --> 02:21:27,439
biological and technological

3431
02:21:35,030 --> 02:21:33,270
and

3432
02:21:36,790 --> 02:21:35,040
not only that but it had a certain

3433
02:21:40,309 --> 02:21:36,800
self-awareness to it

3434
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:40,319
and not only that that it was actually

3435
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:43,439
recognizing that i was accessing it

3436
02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:45,520
which was really freaky i have to tell

3437
02:21:48,550 --> 02:21:47,200
you now

3438
02:21:51,190 --> 02:21:48,560
that was

3439
02:21:54,950 --> 02:21:51,200
very briefly summed up what i perceived

3440
02:21:57,030 --> 02:21:54,960
was what year was this

3441
02:21:59,990 --> 02:21:57,040
i want to say it was around 96 it could

3442
02:22:02,150 --> 02:22:00,000
have been as late as 99. okay okay yeah

3443
02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:02,160
i have all the files but i didn't look

3444
02:22:05,510 --> 02:22:03,600
them up because i didn't didn't realize

3445
02:22:08,230 --> 02:22:05,520
you're gonna be talking about this so uh

3446
02:22:11,190 --> 02:22:08,240
you know i'm going on memory but

3447
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:11,200
it was uh it was quite remarkable and

3448
02:22:15,110 --> 02:22:13,200
i'm not going to tell you it's correct i

3449
02:22:17,270 --> 02:22:15,120
don't know if it was correct

3450
02:22:18,070 --> 02:22:17,280
but the one sobering thing about all

3451
02:22:20,389 --> 02:22:18,080
this

3452
02:22:22,550 --> 02:22:20,399
is that a lot of the data i talked about

3453
02:22:24,950 --> 02:22:22,560
and they're not this particular

3454
02:22:26,790 --> 02:22:24,960
vehicle whatever it was but describing

3455
02:22:28,550 --> 02:22:26,800
the underground cavern

3456
02:22:29,750 --> 02:22:28,560
sketching the surroundings and all kind

3457
02:22:32,790 --> 02:22:29,760
of stuff

3458
02:22:33,510 --> 02:22:32,800
ingo and this other guy also

3459
02:22:35,349 --> 02:22:33,520
get

3460
02:22:37,670 --> 02:22:35,359
produced similar things

3461
02:22:40,309 --> 02:22:37,680
independently of me i got to see the

3462
02:22:41,429 --> 02:22:40,319
final report and i saw his response

3463
02:22:42,950 --> 02:22:41,439
english response the other guy's

3464
02:22:45,670 --> 02:22:42,960
response and mine

3465
02:22:46,790 --> 02:22:45,680
and a lot of it definitely overlapped

3466
02:22:48,230 --> 02:22:46,800
so

3467
02:22:49,830 --> 02:22:48,240
is that guaranteed no there's a thing

3468
02:22:51,910 --> 02:22:49,840
called telepathic overlay where you can

3469
02:22:54,150 --> 02:22:51,920
pick up on what other people are are

3470
02:22:56,870 --> 02:22:54,160
doing right there's also the possibility

3471
02:22:58,230 --> 02:22:56,880
i remote view their sessions in advance

3472
02:22:59,510 --> 02:22:58,240
that we call that remote viewing our

3473
02:23:01,349 --> 02:22:59,520
feedback

3474
02:23:03,110 --> 02:23:01,359
but generally speaking that doesn't

3475
02:23:04,950 --> 02:23:03,120
happen to me because i've been doing it

3476
02:23:07,270 --> 02:23:04,960
so long i've got pretty good discipline

3477
02:23:09,670 --> 02:23:07,280
up and i normally remote view what i'm

3478
02:23:11,990 --> 02:23:09,680
supposed to remote view so i'm inclined

3479
02:23:14,309 --> 02:23:12,000
to think there may be some legitimacy to

3480
02:23:16,070 --> 02:23:14,319
this data but it hasn't been confirmed

3481
02:23:18,550 --> 02:23:16,080
so i'm not going to jump on and say this

3482
02:23:19,429 --> 02:23:18,560
is absolutely true i don't know if it is

3483
02:23:23,590 --> 02:23:19,439
well

3484
02:23:26,710 --> 02:23:23,600
um i'm going to kind of confirm it

3485
02:23:28,309 --> 02:23:26,720
for you now and i'll tell you why are

3486
02:23:30,389 --> 02:23:28,319
you ready

3487
02:23:32,710 --> 02:23:30,399
i'm as ready as i'll ever be

3488
02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:32,720
roland emmerich

3489
02:23:36,150 --> 02:23:34,319
now i know you're going okay where are

3490
02:23:39,110 --> 02:23:36,160
you going with this sounds like a guitar

3491
02:23:41,510 --> 02:23:39,120
effect uh no roland emmerich directed

3492
02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:41,520
the film stargate

3493
02:23:44,150 --> 02:23:42,640
oh

3494
02:23:46,630 --> 02:23:44,160
okay hold on

3495
02:23:49,030 --> 02:23:46,640
i'm going to take it a step further yeah

3496
02:23:50,150 --> 02:23:49,040
his latest film that is going to be

3497
02:23:51,990 --> 02:23:50,160
released

3498
02:23:54,389 --> 02:23:52,000
in february

3499
02:23:57,429 --> 02:23:54,399
is called moonfall

3500
02:24:01,510 --> 02:23:57,439
and it is about a hollow moon

3501
02:24:03,429 --> 02:24:01,520
with a manta ray ufo flying out of a

3502
02:24:06,630 --> 02:24:03,439
crevice on the dark side of the moon and

3503
02:24:11,030 --> 02:24:08,309
well that's kind of spooky that's kind

3504
02:24:12,550 --> 02:24:11,040
of weird huh yeah now i'm just saying

3505
02:24:14,710 --> 02:24:12,560
i'm just saying

3506
02:24:16,710 --> 02:24:14,720
it's kind of weird isn't it no it's not

3507
02:24:19,590 --> 02:24:16,720
a manta ray craft i added that part

3508
02:24:21,590 --> 02:24:19,600
that's my own artistic embellishment

3509
02:24:25,110 --> 02:24:21,600
but roland emmerich

3510
02:24:27,510 --> 02:24:25,120
stargate no no no no no this parts

3511
02:24:28,790 --> 02:24:27,520
roland emmerich stargate roland emmerich

3512
02:24:30,309 --> 02:24:28,800
moonfall

3513
02:24:32,950 --> 02:24:30,319
hollow moon

3514
02:24:36,150 --> 02:24:32,960
attacking earth and that i find that as

3515
02:24:38,389 --> 02:24:36,160
a it's a very strange uh coincidence uh

3516
02:24:40,469 --> 02:24:38,399
with what you just described and then we

3517
02:24:41,190 --> 02:24:40,479
throw in stargate it's kind of weird to

3518
02:24:42,469 --> 02:24:41,200
me

3519
02:24:44,150 --> 02:24:42,479
yeah

3520
02:24:46,230 --> 02:24:44,160
interesting now

3521
02:24:50,790 --> 02:24:46,240
when you

3522
02:24:53,030 --> 02:24:50,800
remote view something like this

3523
02:24:56,150 --> 02:24:53,040
does that concern you

3524
02:24:58,550 --> 02:24:56,160
and and what if something like this does

3525
02:25:00,630 --> 02:24:58,560
develop and there is something more to

3526
02:25:03,590 --> 02:25:00,640
the moon than we know

3527
02:25:05,670 --> 02:25:03,600
what do you do with that information

3528
02:25:07,750 --> 02:25:05,680
which information my session your

3529
02:25:10,550 --> 02:25:07,760
session yes

3530
02:25:11,910 --> 02:25:10,560
well and i offer it to you know of

3531
02:25:13,830 --> 02:25:11,920
course i have to clearly have to clear

3532
02:25:16,870 --> 02:25:13,840
it with english estate but i'd offer it

3533
02:25:18,790 --> 02:25:16,880
um as additional information for

3534
02:25:20,550 --> 02:25:18,800
whatever good it is i mean it may have

3535
02:25:22,630 --> 02:25:20,560
some useful information or maybe it's

3536
02:25:24,630 --> 02:25:22,640
too general who knows but you won't know

3537
02:25:27,030 --> 02:25:24,640
until you start comparing it with the

3538
02:25:29,670 --> 02:25:27,040
other material that's available right

3539
02:25:32,550 --> 02:25:29,680
and do you go back and look at that

3540
02:25:34,389 --> 02:25:32,560
material when something from the future

3541
02:25:36,550 --> 02:25:34,399
well it would have been the future then

3542
02:25:39,349 --> 02:25:36,560
right but now it's coming to pass do you

3543
02:25:41,030 --> 02:25:39,359
go back and pull those files out to see

3544
02:25:43,590 --> 02:25:41,040
if there's something else buried in

3545
02:25:45,429 --> 02:25:43,600
there yeah i might do that sure you know

3546
02:25:46,790 --> 02:25:45,439
depending on if there's an

3547
02:25:50,150 --> 02:25:46,800
interest from someone who could do

3548
02:25:53,270 --> 02:25:50,160
something with it now um uh with that

3549
02:25:54,710 --> 02:25:53,280
remote view uh in 96

3550
02:25:58,469 --> 02:25:54,720
99

3551
02:26:01,349 --> 02:25:58,479
and what is going on today with e.t

3552
02:26:02,950 --> 02:26:01,359
does this also maybe

3553
02:26:05,270 --> 02:26:02,960
and we're i'm going to talk about front

3554
02:26:06,870 --> 02:26:05,280
loading in a second uh when we come back

3555
02:26:10,870 --> 02:26:06,880
after the break by the way we're doing

3556
02:26:12,950 --> 02:26:10,880
overtime you don't have a choice so

3557
02:26:15,190 --> 02:26:12,960
i've been chained to my seat but did you

3558
02:26:17,030 --> 02:26:15,200
remote view that at the beginning of the

3559
02:26:18,150 --> 02:26:17,040
show i had no idea

3560
02:26:22,710 --> 02:26:18,160
the um

3561
02:26:24,309 --> 02:26:22,720
uh this this awareness now uh about e.t

3562
02:26:25,270 --> 02:26:24,319
where it's never been like this in the

3563
02:26:27,830 --> 02:26:25,280
past

3564
02:26:29,429 --> 02:26:27,840
and certainly remote viewing is there an

3565
02:26:31,910 --> 02:26:29,439
opportunity

3566
02:26:35,590 --> 02:26:31,920
to maybe look at what is going on with

3567
02:26:39,030 --> 02:26:35,600
et and contact and disclosure

3568
02:26:41,349 --> 02:26:39,040
well sure there's always um

3569
02:26:44,230 --> 02:26:41,359
there could always opportunity now my

3570
02:26:46,070 --> 02:26:44,240
caution is as long as it's done right

3571
02:26:47,349 --> 02:26:46,080
at fort meade we had a number of

3572
02:26:49,510 --> 02:26:47,359
projects where

3573
02:26:50,870 --> 02:26:49,520
off the books we weren't supposed to be

3574
02:26:52,950 --> 02:26:50,880
doing this stuff

3575
02:26:55,030 --> 02:26:52,960
but off the books we were tasked on

3576
02:26:58,070 --> 02:26:55,040
various et

3577
02:26:59,429 --> 02:26:58,080
modalities various ufo scenarios

3578
02:27:01,590 --> 02:26:59,439
i mean even things like reynolds and

3579
02:27:04,630 --> 02:27:01,600
forest and some of these other

3580
02:27:06,070 --> 02:27:04,640
iconic kind of ufo events we were tasked

3581
02:27:07,190 --> 02:27:06,080
at one time or another

3582
02:27:09,510 --> 02:27:07,200
but

3583
02:27:10,950 --> 02:27:09,520
some of those taskings were well done

3584
02:27:13,349 --> 02:27:10,960
they were properly done properly

3585
02:27:14,950 --> 02:27:13,359
blinding conditions

3586
02:27:17,429 --> 02:27:14,960
properly analyzed after the fact that

3587
02:27:19,830 --> 02:27:17,439
kind of thing others were kind of

3588
02:27:21,110 --> 02:27:19,840
loose gun kind of projects where they

3589
02:27:22,790 --> 02:27:21,120
were done

3590
02:27:24,389 --> 02:27:22,800
without the proper

3591
02:27:25,670 --> 02:27:24,399
safeguards and protocols to make sure

3592
02:27:29,030 --> 02:27:25,680
you're not

3593
02:27:31,750 --> 02:27:29,040
introducing artifacts into the process

3594
02:27:35,830 --> 02:27:31,760
that will just garble things up so

3595
02:27:37,590 --> 02:27:35,840
it's kind of uneven but um

3596
02:27:39,910 --> 02:27:37,600
there's certainly always a possibility

3597
02:27:41,910 --> 02:27:39,920
one of the interesting i i do a talk

3598
02:27:43,510 --> 02:27:41,920
sometimes called remote viewing and ufos

3599
02:27:44,469 --> 02:27:43,520
right where i talk about

3600
02:27:46,230 --> 02:27:44,479
uh

3601
02:27:47,349 --> 02:27:46,240
how

3602
02:27:49,110 --> 02:27:47,359
uh

3603
02:27:51,270 --> 02:27:49,120
remote viewing has been used the first

3604
02:27:53,670 --> 02:27:51,280
thing is that it's kind of like using an

3605
02:27:56,389 --> 02:27:53,680
enigma to solve a mystery right

3606
02:27:58,469 --> 02:27:56,399
to misquote churchill right so

3607
02:27:59,590 --> 02:27:58,479
here you have this uh this

3608
02:28:02,790 --> 02:27:59,600
mystery

3609
02:28:04,550 --> 02:28:02,800
uh which is of course the ufo phenomenon

3610
02:28:06,790 --> 02:28:04,560
phenomena i guess there's plenty of them

3611
02:28:07,910 --> 02:28:06,800
out there um and then the enigma is

3612
02:28:08,870 --> 02:28:07,920
remote viewing we don't know how it

3613
02:28:11,429 --> 02:28:08,880
works

3614
02:28:13,910 --> 02:28:11,439
but it makes sense to use remote viewing

3615
02:28:15,830 --> 02:28:13,920
because most of our normal means of

3616
02:28:18,950 --> 02:28:15,840
collecting information again have failed

3617
02:28:20,870 --> 02:28:18,960
against the ufo phenomenon we don't know

3618
02:28:23,590 --> 02:28:20,880
still don't know the ground truth with

3619
02:28:25,910 --> 02:28:23,600
them despite all of our advanced uh

3620
02:28:27,190 --> 02:28:25,920
supposedly advanced technology okay well

3621
02:28:29,270 --> 02:28:27,200
then it makes sense to use remote

3622
02:28:32,710 --> 02:28:29,280
viewing because it seems able to get at

3623
02:28:35,510 --> 02:28:32,720
things that you can't get at with normal

3624
02:28:36,550 --> 02:28:35,520
collection means right so okay remote

3625
02:28:37,990 --> 02:28:36,560
makes sense

3626
02:28:39,750 --> 02:28:38,000
the problem is you have to be very

3627
02:28:41,670 --> 02:28:39,760
careful because it is also much more

3628
02:28:42,469 --> 02:28:41,680
vulnerable to fantasy

3629
02:28:50,150 --> 02:28:42,479
and

3630
02:28:52,790 --> 02:28:50,160
end up believing a false positive

3631
02:28:54,630 --> 02:28:52,800
or a false negative right but it's

3632
02:28:56,150 --> 02:28:54,640
certainly a tool that used carefully

3633
02:28:57,910 --> 02:28:56,160
could be valuable

3634
02:29:01,030 --> 02:28:57,920
well and you you know you brought a

3635
02:29:03,510 --> 02:29:01,040
battle star galactica right or if you

3636
02:29:04,389 --> 02:29:03,520
have another science fiction movie that

3637
02:29:06,550 --> 02:29:04,399
you know

3638
02:29:08,630 --> 02:29:06,560
is part of your brain

3639
02:29:11,110 --> 02:29:08,640
right something that you think about all

3640
02:29:14,150 --> 02:29:11,120
the time that would affect and maybe

3641
02:29:15,110 --> 02:29:14,160
pollute it could yeah it you it could

3642
02:29:17,590 --> 02:29:15,120
yeah

3643
02:29:29,670 --> 02:29:19,429
mars

3644
02:29:32,550 --> 02:29:29,680
what nasa is telling us perseverance is

3645
02:29:34,230 --> 02:29:32,560
is discovering it and past discoveries

3646
02:29:37,110 --> 02:29:34,240
but what about

3647
02:29:39,750 --> 02:29:37,120
that and looking for life uh i'm not

3648
02:29:41,830 --> 02:29:39,760
talking about zeta reticuli you know

3649
02:29:44,309 --> 02:29:41,840
let's just go with mars

3650
02:29:45,270 --> 02:29:44,319
is that an application

3651
02:29:48,230 --> 02:29:45,280
sure

3652
02:29:51,270 --> 02:29:49,590
if you're going to collect information

3653
02:29:52,870 --> 02:29:51,280
about something that you really want a

3654
02:29:54,790 --> 02:29:52,880
lot of information about it doesn't hurt

3655
02:29:57,349 --> 02:29:54,800
to use every means you have as long as

3656
02:29:58,550 --> 02:29:57,359
you use it credibly right and so

3657
02:30:00,309 --> 02:29:58,560
i don't

3658
02:30:02,830 --> 02:30:00,319
uh i i think it's very valuable that

3659
02:30:04,630 --> 02:30:02,840
we're using these conventional science

3660
02:30:07,270 --> 02:30:04,640
uh

3661
02:30:08,389 --> 02:30:07,280
methodologies like rovers and all of

3662
02:30:10,070 --> 02:30:08,399
that stuff and

3663
02:30:11,510 --> 02:30:10,080
radar surface mapping radar and

3664
02:30:14,870 --> 02:30:11,520
everything to find out what we can about

3665
02:30:16,230 --> 02:30:14,880
mars it's useful to use remote viewing

3666
02:30:17,910 --> 02:30:16,240
as long as the viewer doesn't know it's

3667
02:30:19,590 --> 02:30:17,920
mars because as soon as they know it's

3668
02:30:21,429 --> 02:30:19,600
mars they'll start putting little green

3669
02:30:23,590 --> 02:30:21,439
men on it right

3670
02:30:24,389 --> 02:30:23,600
even if they're not there so

3671
02:30:26,150 --> 02:30:24,399
uh

3672
02:30:28,070 --> 02:30:26,160
but you'd have to actually know what it

3673
02:30:29,990 --> 02:30:28,080
is you want remote view so let's say

3674
02:30:31,510 --> 02:30:30,000
nasa finds a

3675
02:30:33,830 --> 02:30:31,520
feature on mars that they've not been

3676
02:30:35,910 --> 02:30:33,840
able to get real information about for

3677
02:30:37,750 --> 02:30:35,920
some reason you could test the remote

3678
02:30:39,990 --> 02:30:37,760
viewers on that feature as long as you

3679
02:30:42,230 --> 02:30:40,000
do it carefully and see if they produce

3680
02:30:44,469 --> 02:30:42,240
useful information you know which could

3681
02:30:46,070 --> 02:30:44,479
in principle later be verified let's

3682
02:30:49,270 --> 02:30:46,080
take our break right here we're going to

3683
02:30:50,630 --> 02:30:49,280
go over time we have to paul h smith is

3684
02:30:53,590 --> 02:30:50,640
our guest

3685
02:30:55,190 --> 02:30:53,600
remote viewing e.t you knew i was going

3686
02:30:57,990 --> 02:30:55,200
there we're going to do all of that when

3687
02:31:00,150 --> 02:30:58,000
we come back after this short break we

3688
02:31:02,950 --> 02:31:00,160
just talked to et for four days we might

3689
02:31:04,710 --> 02:31:02,960
as well continue paul why not

3690
02:31:06,780 --> 02:31:04,720
let's do this we'll be right back stay

3691
02:31:31,750 --> 02:31:06,790
with us

3692
02:31:35,429 --> 02:31:33,910
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3756
02:35:13,110 --> 02:35:09,750
welcome back heading straight into

3757
02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:13,120
overtime paul h smith

3758
02:35:18,389 --> 02:35:15,600
i knew it was coming because i'm a

3759
02:35:20,630 --> 02:35:18,399
remote viewer but uh

3760
02:35:21,990 --> 02:35:20,640
and and here's the thing as we head into

3761
02:35:27,349 --> 02:35:22,000
overtime paul

3762
02:35:29,990 --> 02:35:27,359
is the obvious considerations are

3763
02:35:32,469 --> 02:35:30,000
remote viewing et

3764
02:35:36,469 --> 02:35:32,479
would nearly well no it wouldn't be

3765
02:35:37,590 --> 02:35:36,479
impossible but et would be aware

3766
02:35:40,150 --> 02:35:37,600
right

3767
02:35:42,469 --> 02:35:40,160
they're more advanced than us and

3768
02:35:45,030 --> 02:35:42,479
they've been remote viewing us for a

3769
02:35:47,670 --> 02:35:45,040
thousand years

3770
02:35:50,550 --> 02:35:47,680
and am i wrong with that assumption and

3771
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:50,560
as you think about that

3772
02:35:54,389 --> 02:35:53,680
if we flip-flop this how do i

3773
02:35:57,910 --> 02:35:54,399
not

3774
02:36:01,349 --> 02:35:57,920
front load a session if i wanted to

3775
02:36:03,750 --> 02:36:01,359
remote v-e-t in some capacity

3776
02:36:05,990 --> 02:36:03,760
how would i avoid front loading it

3777
02:36:07,670 --> 02:36:06,000
without giving it all away

3778
02:36:09,590 --> 02:36:07,680
so how many questions you're going to

3779
02:36:11,429 --> 02:36:09,600
ask before i get the answer yeah right i

3780
02:36:12,870 --> 02:36:11,439
know i know i know

3781
02:36:14,710 --> 02:36:12,880
so let's start with the first one are

3782
02:36:16,070 --> 02:36:14,720
you wrong in that assumption

3783
02:36:17,750 --> 02:36:16,080
yes

3784
02:36:19,510 --> 02:36:17,760
doesn't mean you're wrong about what

3785
02:36:21,510 --> 02:36:19,520
you're saying

3786
02:36:23,830 --> 02:36:21,520
to assume that they are

3787
02:36:26,389 --> 02:36:23,840
aware of us remote viewing them

3788
02:36:29,990 --> 02:36:26,399
or would be hypothetically right right

3789
02:36:33,190 --> 02:36:30,000
to assume that is is a mistake

3790
02:36:34,790 --> 02:36:33,200
but it is possible they might be able to

3791
02:36:37,349 --> 02:36:34,800
right

3792
02:36:39,429 --> 02:36:37,359
i'm always really really worried about

3793
02:36:41,830 --> 02:36:39,439
assumptions because

3794
02:36:43,830 --> 02:36:41,840
they condition our minds to conclude

3795
02:36:46,630 --> 02:36:43,840
something that we may not have enough

3796
02:36:47,910 --> 02:36:46,640
evidence for so don't assume that

3797
02:36:49,670 --> 02:36:47,920
but

3798
02:36:51,990 --> 02:36:49,680
allow for the possibility that they may

3799
02:36:53,910 --> 02:36:52,000
be able to do that okay

3800
02:36:55,590 --> 02:36:53,920
now as you know in my talk at the

3801
02:36:58,630 --> 02:36:55,600
conference i talked about

3802
02:37:00,389 --> 02:36:58,640
uh aliens manipulating our consciousness

3803
02:37:02,309 --> 02:37:00,399
right okay they make people think they

3804
02:37:03,910 --> 02:37:02,319
see things they don't see they make

3805
02:37:05,670 --> 02:37:03,920
people think things that they wouldn't

3806
02:37:07,670 --> 02:37:05,680
normally think they make us do lots of

3807
02:37:08,550 --> 02:37:07,680
things at least according to the reports

3808
02:37:09,990 --> 02:37:08,560
we get

3809
02:37:11,429 --> 02:37:10,000
okay right

3810
02:37:13,429 --> 02:37:11,439
be absolutely sure we don't have ground

3811
02:37:14,950 --> 02:37:13,439
truth on this but we have a lot of very

3812
02:37:17,910 --> 02:37:14,960
persuasive

3813
02:37:19,190 --> 02:37:17,920
testimony evidence kind of stuff right

3814
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:19,200
so

3815
02:37:22,389 --> 02:37:21,120
they do seem to be able to do that which

3816
02:37:24,710 --> 02:37:22,399
would suggest they may have the

3817
02:37:26,230 --> 02:37:24,720
possibility they may be able to do these

3818
02:37:27,910 --> 02:37:26,240
other things like you're suggesting

3819
02:37:29,990 --> 02:37:27,920
recognize when we're trying to do it to

3820
02:37:32,070 --> 02:37:30,000
them okay

3821
02:37:34,870 --> 02:37:32,080
so we don't know the bottom line there

3822
02:37:36,550 --> 02:37:34,880
but we really really really need

3823
02:37:38,790 --> 02:37:36,560
to keep that within the realm of

3824
02:37:40,389 --> 02:37:38,800
possibility and think about what we are

3825
02:37:42,309 --> 02:37:40,399
going to do about that if it turns out

3826
02:37:43,190 --> 02:37:42,319
to be true

3827
02:37:46,469 --> 02:37:43,200
now

3828
02:37:49,990 --> 02:37:46,479
how do i avoid front loading

3829
02:37:52,150 --> 02:37:50,000
you know okay and and and this is the

3830
02:37:54,230 --> 02:37:52,160
deal

3831
02:37:55,349 --> 02:37:54,240
if i

3832
02:37:57,590 --> 02:37:55,359
uh

3833
02:37:58,389 --> 02:37:57,600
put something in an envelope

3834
02:38:00,550 --> 02:37:58,399
right

3835
02:38:03,510 --> 02:38:00,560
whatever it may be

3836
02:38:05,030 --> 02:38:03,520
it's going to be very direct and very

3837
02:38:06,469 --> 02:38:05,040
deliberate

3838
02:38:08,950 --> 02:38:06,479
how

3839
02:38:11,349 --> 02:38:08,960
is there a suggestion at that point

3840
02:38:12,870 --> 02:38:11,359
about what verbally about what we are

3841
02:38:15,190 --> 02:38:12,880
doing not revealing what's in the

3842
02:38:19,349 --> 02:38:15,200
envelope but

3843
02:38:22,550 --> 02:38:19,359
to avoid remote viewing um uh

3844
02:38:25,349 --> 02:38:22,560
chrysler cars as opposed to e.t you know

3845
02:38:27,429 --> 02:38:25,359
just heading off in another direction so

3846
02:38:29,670 --> 02:38:27,439
let me give you just a regular

3847
02:38:31,270 --> 02:38:29,680
mundane example then they did this a lot

3848
02:38:33,110 --> 02:38:31,280
for me so

3849
02:38:35,750 --> 02:38:33,120
there was somebody say somebody been kid

3850
02:38:37,750 --> 02:38:35,760
up kidnapped by hezbollah in the middle

3851
02:38:42,550 --> 02:38:37,760
east in lebanon right

3852
02:38:44,950 --> 02:38:42,560
and they wanted the viewer to

3853
02:38:46,870 --> 02:38:44,960
perceive and describe the setting where

3854
02:38:49,349 --> 02:38:46,880
that person was

3855
02:38:51,190 --> 02:38:49,359
but uh let's say it was terry waite who

3856
02:38:54,070 --> 02:38:51,200
is widely known his picture been in the

3857
02:38:55,670 --> 02:38:54,080
news a lot right right so

3858
02:38:57,270 --> 02:38:55,680
that says terry wait you don't want the

3859
02:38:59,349 --> 02:38:57,280
viewer to know it's terry waite because

3860
02:39:02,150 --> 02:38:59,359
he may have read he or she we had a lot

3861
02:39:04,309 --> 02:39:02,160
of female viewers too um he or she may

3862
02:39:06,630 --> 02:39:04,319
have read news stories that speculated

3863
02:39:09,110 --> 02:39:06,640
about where terry was and that would end

3864
02:39:11,590 --> 02:39:09,120
up in their session right so what you

3865
02:39:12,870 --> 02:39:11,600
would do is you put terry wait's photo

3866
02:39:13,670 --> 02:39:12,880
in the envelope that you're talking

3867
02:39:15,110 --> 02:39:13,680
about

3868
02:39:17,349 --> 02:39:15,120
and you'd say

3869
02:39:19,510 --> 02:39:17,359
uh one of the more forward

3870
02:39:21,030 --> 02:39:19,520
uh ways of doing it where say

3871
02:39:22,389 --> 02:39:21,040
there's a photo of an individual in this

3872
02:39:24,870 --> 02:39:22,399
envelope we want you to describe the

3873
02:39:27,030 --> 02:39:24,880
location of this individual okay

3874
02:39:28,950 --> 02:39:27,040
so the viewer doesn't have any idea who

3875
02:39:31,110 --> 02:39:28,960
the they they are front load to the

3876
02:39:33,590 --> 02:39:31,120
extent they know it's a person okay

3877
02:39:35,190 --> 02:39:33,600
beyond that they don't know it could be

3878
02:39:37,510 --> 02:39:35,200
someone anywhere in the world and they

3879
02:39:39,510 --> 02:39:37,520
don't know who it is consciously their

3880
02:39:41,750 --> 02:39:39,520
subconscious does recognize it but

3881
02:39:43,349 --> 02:39:41,760
that's less problematic

3882
02:39:45,590 --> 02:39:43,359
and then hopefully then they'll proceed

3883
02:39:48,389 --> 02:39:45,600
to describe the location of terry weight

3884
02:39:50,389 --> 02:39:48,399
okay now that's the mundane example so

3885
02:39:52,389 --> 02:39:50,399
let's talk about

3886
02:39:53,590 --> 02:39:52,399
a ufo related thing

3887
02:39:55,510 --> 02:39:53,600
let's say

3888
02:39:57,349 --> 02:39:55,520
we want somebody to remote view tic tac

3889
02:40:00,150 --> 02:39:57,359
one of the tic tacs that the f-18s were

3890
02:40:01,429 --> 02:40:00,160
following you just remote viewed me

3891
02:40:04,150 --> 02:40:01,439
oh that's what you're thinking do you

3892
02:40:07,110 --> 02:40:04,160
want to see my notes

3893
02:40:09,590 --> 02:40:07,120
that was what yes okay

3894
02:40:11,270 --> 02:40:09,600
so uh but i'm trying to stay out of your

3895
02:40:13,110 --> 02:40:11,280
mind because it's not a pretty picture

3896
02:40:15,590 --> 02:40:13,120
that's kind of freaky actually yeah it's

3897
02:40:17,670 --> 02:40:15,600
kind of weird so

3898
02:40:21,750 --> 02:40:17,680
what you could do is you could take one

3899
02:40:24,070 --> 02:40:21,760
of the gun camera photos of the tic tac

3900
02:40:25,990 --> 02:40:24,080
put it in that envelope

3901
02:40:27,590 --> 02:40:26,000
and tell the viewer okay there i have a

3902
02:40:30,070 --> 02:40:27,600
photo of an object in this envelope i

3903
02:40:31,990 --> 02:40:30,080
want you to describe the object uh into

3904
02:40:33,429 --> 02:40:32,000
as great a detail as you can

3905
02:40:35,910 --> 02:40:33,439
then the viewer is blind to the target

3906
02:40:37,750 --> 02:40:35,920
they don't know what it is it could be a

3907
02:40:39,190 --> 02:40:37,760
i don't know it could be a harmonica for

3908
02:40:40,550 --> 02:40:39,200
all they know a picture of a harmonica

3909
02:40:42,469 --> 02:40:40,560
right

3910
02:40:44,389 --> 02:40:42,479
but it's not it's a tic tac and if that

3911
02:40:47,349 --> 02:40:44,399
viewer is on they'll start describing it

3912
02:40:51,110 --> 02:40:47,359
as maybe it's rounded kind of lozenge

3913
02:40:53,429 --> 02:40:51,120
shaped and it's heavy and it's dark and

3914
02:40:54,790 --> 02:40:53,439
it's got an inside and inside is we

3915
02:40:56,790 --> 02:40:54,800
don't know what that's what we'd like to

3916
02:40:58,469 --> 02:40:56,800
find out right what's inside of it but

3917
02:41:00,469 --> 02:40:58,479
maybe the viewer would be able to access

3918
02:41:02,550 --> 02:41:00,479
that and describe it for us

3919
02:41:04,790 --> 02:41:02,560
so that's one way of getting around that

3920
02:41:06,550 --> 02:41:04,800
front loading problem

3921
02:41:08,230 --> 02:41:06,560
and

3922
02:41:14,469 --> 02:41:08,240
have you

3923
02:41:19,110 --> 02:41:16,870
the answer is yes okay

3924
02:41:21,670 --> 02:41:19,120
all right maybe

3925
02:41:24,790 --> 02:41:21,680
if i had i would have signed in this

3926
02:41:27,269 --> 02:41:24,800
non-disclosure so i couldn't tell you so

3927
02:41:28,790 --> 02:41:27,279
and so you haven't okay this is getting

3928
02:41:29,830 --> 02:41:28,800
even better

3929
02:41:31,910 --> 02:41:29,840
um

3930
02:41:36,710 --> 02:41:31,920
what do you think is going on here when

3931
02:41:40,309 --> 02:41:36,720
it becomes uh to our united states navy

3932
02:41:43,349 --> 02:41:40,319
and uaps and and this discussion that is

3933
02:41:47,110 --> 02:41:43,359
obviously out front now are we dealing

3934
02:41:49,190 --> 02:41:47,120
with uh with your remote viewing into

3935
02:41:51,429 --> 02:41:49,200
this are we dealing with something

3936
02:41:53,990 --> 02:41:51,439
extraterrestrial

3937
02:41:56,309 --> 02:41:54,000
so not based on remote viewing

3938
02:41:57,910 --> 02:41:56,319
because i i don't remote view things

3939
02:41:59,590 --> 02:41:57,920
that i'm front loaded on which i would

3940
02:42:01,110 --> 02:41:59,600
be in this case right

3941
02:42:04,070 --> 02:42:01,120
um

3942
02:42:05,670 --> 02:42:04,080
i uh

3943
02:42:08,150 --> 02:42:05,680
i mean i think the evidence points to it

3944
02:42:10,710 --> 02:42:08,160
being extraterrestrial you know the the

3945
02:42:13,269 --> 02:42:10,720
the um

3946
02:42:15,670 --> 02:42:13,279
the government report that congress

3947
02:42:17,990 --> 02:42:15,680
mandated and came out in june it's very

3948
02:42:19,990 --> 02:42:18,000
cautious it doesn't it doesn't state for

3949
02:42:22,309 --> 02:42:20,000
sure it's extraterrestrial it allows it

3950
02:42:24,790 --> 02:42:22,319
to be one of the hypotheses and that's

3951
02:42:27,030 --> 02:42:24,800
fair that's really where they need to be

3952
02:42:29,190 --> 02:42:27,040
but to me i think it it screams

3953
02:42:30,950 --> 02:42:29,200
extraterrestrial i mean there's a there

3954
02:42:33,190 --> 02:42:30,960
is of course the the hypothesis that

3955
02:42:35,030 --> 02:42:33,200
maybe it's not extraterrestrial but

3956
02:42:36,230 --> 02:42:35,040
rather extra dimensional or extra

3957
02:42:38,550 --> 02:42:36,240
temporal

3958
02:42:40,469 --> 02:42:38,560
coming back in time or or from another

3959
02:42:41,830 --> 02:42:40,479
dimension or whatever and of course you

3960
02:42:43,670 --> 02:42:41,840
can't rule any of those out but they

3961
02:42:46,389 --> 02:42:43,680
seem less plausible to me than the

3962
02:42:49,030 --> 02:42:46,399
extraterrestrial thing does right

3963
02:42:51,670 --> 02:42:49,040
so if you look at the the thing about

3964
02:42:54,389 --> 02:42:51,680
this this tic-tac

3965
02:42:56,070 --> 02:42:54,399
event that's so striking

3966
02:42:57,910 --> 02:42:56,080
is that it

3967
02:42:59,429 --> 02:42:57,920
and hal put off talked about this at the

3968
02:43:02,389 --> 02:42:59,439
2018

3969
02:43:04,150 --> 02:43:02,399
irva sse conference he said the striking

3970
02:43:06,389 --> 02:43:04,160
thing about this is you have multiple

3971
02:43:09,190 --> 02:43:06,399
sources of corroboration it was

3972
02:43:11,990 --> 02:43:09,200
multi-spectral imagery you had

3973
02:43:15,269 --> 02:43:12,000
radar you had millimeter wave you had

3974
02:43:17,110 --> 02:43:15,279
flare infrared you had electro optic you

3975
02:43:20,870 --> 02:43:17,120
had a

3976
02:43:23,269 --> 02:43:20,880
visual inspection you had camera footage

3977
02:43:25,269 --> 02:43:23,279
i mean you had the way we established

3978
02:43:27,750 --> 02:43:25,279
the truth of anything is by having a

3979
02:43:30,150 --> 02:43:27,760
number of corroborating streams of

3980
02:43:32,150 --> 02:43:30,160
evidence that come together and confirm

3981
02:43:35,030 --> 02:43:32,160
each other that's what happened with tic

3982
02:43:37,590 --> 02:43:35,040
tac that is inescapable that there was

3983
02:43:39,429 --> 02:43:37,600
something there that was behaving in a

3984
02:43:42,790 --> 02:43:39,439
weird way they're skeptics who try to

3985
02:43:46,230 --> 02:43:42,800
deny that they are totally wrong right

3986
02:43:48,710 --> 02:43:46,240
this was really really really persuasive

3987
02:43:52,870 --> 02:43:48,720
and it is some kind of technology

3988
02:43:54,630 --> 02:43:52,880
and it just seems to me it's inescapable

3989
02:43:56,230 --> 02:43:54,640
that it well it's not an escape because

3990
02:43:59,590 --> 02:43:56,240
there are all those two other hypotheses

3991
02:44:01,429 --> 02:43:59,600
right but it seems to me that it very

3992
02:44:03,590 --> 02:44:01,439
strongly points to an extraterrestrial

3993
02:44:04,870 --> 02:44:03,600
origin and clearly intentionally

3994
02:44:07,110 --> 02:44:04,880
controlled

3995
02:44:10,630 --> 02:44:07,120
now one of the uh

3996
02:44:12,070 --> 02:44:10,640
subjects of our conversations uh over

3997
02:44:14,230 --> 02:44:12,080
the last few days

3998
02:44:15,349 --> 02:44:14,240
uh was entanglement

3999
02:44:18,469 --> 02:44:15,359
and

4000
02:44:20,469 --> 02:44:18,479
i'm very intrigued when it comes to

4001
02:44:21,429 --> 02:44:20,479
remote viewing

4002
02:44:24,550 --> 02:44:21,439
and

4003
02:44:26,150 --> 02:44:24,560
the possibility of entanglement being

4004
02:44:30,230 --> 02:44:26,160
part of

4005
02:44:32,790 --> 02:44:30,240
or maybe all of what is happening here

4006
02:44:35,990 --> 02:44:32,800
what do you think is is

4007
02:44:38,309 --> 02:44:36,000
the progenator of of remote viewing what

4008
02:44:40,550 --> 02:44:38,319
is what is enabling it

4009
02:44:41,670 --> 02:44:40,560
well so entanglement and i'm sure

4010
02:44:42,550 --> 02:44:41,680
there's folks listening who don't know

4011
02:44:44,389 --> 02:44:42,560
what we're talking about but

4012
02:44:46,469 --> 02:44:44,399
entanglement is the idea that if you

4013
02:44:48,790 --> 02:44:46,479
have two subatomic particles

4014
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:48,800
very close closely associated in their

4015
02:44:53,269 --> 02:44:51,040
past they become entangled and then they

4016
02:44:55,429 --> 02:44:53,279
can exert an influence on each other no

4017
02:44:56,469 --> 02:44:55,439
matter how far apart they are

4018
02:44:58,630 --> 02:44:56,479
um

4019
02:45:00,389 --> 02:44:58,640
over distance or time well time is

4020
02:45:02,790 --> 02:45:00,399
starting to factor into it too but

4021
02:45:04,309 --> 02:45:02,800
but uh and it's instantaneous and and

4022
02:45:05,830 --> 02:45:04,319
essentially violates the speed limit of

4023
02:45:06,550 --> 02:45:05,840
the universe which is the speed of light

4024
02:45:08,950 --> 02:45:06,560
right

4025
02:45:10,950 --> 02:45:08,960
um so it's a very interesting thing it's

4026
02:45:13,590 --> 02:45:10,960
what i'm saying called spooky action at

4027
02:45:15,750 --> 02:45:13,600
a distance and he didn't like it he was

4028
02:45:18,150 --> 02:45:15,760
just too bizarre for his taste

4029
02:45:20,070 --> 02:45:18,160
um entanglement does is a real thing

4030
02:45:22,309 --> 02:45:20,080
it's been both proved experimentally and

4031
02:45:24,469 --> 02:45:22,319
mathematically it is real thing

4032
02:45:26,389 --> 02:45:24,479
and it seems to be very

4033
02:45:28,070 --> 02:45:26,399
essentially throughout the universe it's

4034
02:45:30,150 --> 02:45:28,080
in that aspect throughout the universe

4035
02:45:31,990 --> 02:45:30,160
now it's been offered as an explanation

4036
02:45:33,190 --> 02:45:32,000
for remote viewing the idea is you're

4037
02:45:34,630 --> 02:45:33,200
entangled

4038
02:45:37,269 --> 02:45:34,640
remote viewing seems to operate

4039
02:45:39,269 --> 02:45:37,279
regardless of distance or time

4040
02:45:42,790 --> 02:45:39,279
entanglement regardless of distance or

4041
02:45:43,750 --> 02:45:42,800
time but i don't think it's the answer

4042
02:45:46,070 --> 02:45:43,760
okay

4043
02:45:49,030 --> 02:45:46,080
um i and there's reasons the first one

4044
02:45:51,990 --> 02:45:49,040
is that entanglement so far has not been

4045
02:45:53,750 --> 02:45:52,000
shown to be able to carry information in

4046
02:45:55,590 --> 02:45:53,760
the way remote viewing is

4047
02:45:57,429 --> 02:45:55,600
okay that's the first thing it doesn't

4048
02:45:59,670 --> 02:45:57,439
seem to explain how the kind of

4049
02:46:01,429 --> 02:45:59,680
information you get from remote viewing

4050
02:46:03,349 --> 02:46:01,439
could possibly be transmitted the

4051
02:46:05,429 --> 02:46:03,359
entanglement okay

4052
02:46:07,750 --> 02:46:05,439
the other thing is that remote viewing

4053
02:46:09,429 --> 02:46:07,760
is to some degree independent of past

4054
02:46:10,950 --> 02:46:09,439
and future it can it can happen

4055
02:46:13,190 --> 02:46:10,960
throughout time

4056
02:46:14,630 --> 02:46:13,200
uh better in the past but still somewhat

4057
02:46:16,469 --> 02:46:14,640
into the future

4058
02:46:17,910 --> 02:46:16,479
entanglement doesn't

4059
02:46:19,429 --> 02:46:17,920
demonstrate that you know people say

4060
02:46:21,510 --> 02:46:19,439
well you can have an entanglement that

4061
02:46:22,870 --> 02:46:21,520
works like a microsecond or a picosecond

4062
02:46:25,429 --> 02:46:22,880
in the future

4063
02:46:27,750 --> 02:46:25,439
okay fine that's a pico saying we're not

4064
02:46:28,790 --> 02:46:27,760
talking decades we're not talking

4065
02:46:31,670 --> 02:46:28,800
centuries

4066
02:46:33,429 --> 02:46:31,680
right um and entanglement works at a

4067
02:46:35,990 --> 02:46:33,439
small scale it doesn't work at that the

4068
02:46:38,070 --> 02:46:36,000
big scale we're talking about so

4069
02:46:40,389 --> 02:46:38,080
i just take some persuasion but i don't

4070
02:46:41,750 --> 02:46:40,399
think entanglement answers it i think

4071
02:46:43,990 --> 02:46:41,760
frankly i think that there is a

4072
02:46:46,309 --> 02:46:44,000
non-physical aspect of the universe and

4073
02:46:48,550 --> 02:46:46,319
that that is plays a role in how remote

4074
02:46:49,990 --> 02:46:48,560
viewing works but of course mainstream

4075
02:46:52,230 --> 02:46:50,000
scientists that freaks them out because

4076
02:46:53,590 --> 02:46:52,240
they can't possibly believe that there's

4077
02:46:56,230 --> 02:46:53,600
anything in the universe that isn't

4078
02:46:58,950 --> 02:46:56,240
physical how could that be you know but

4079
02:47:01,990 --> 02:46:58,960
i think it's possible well okay so if

4080
02:47:04,389 --> 02:47:02,000
you can remote view a location or the

4081
02:47:05,590 --> 02:47:04,399
interior of a building

4082
02:47:07,110 --> 02:47:05,600
um

4083
02:47:09,190 --> 02:47:07,120
theoretically

4084
02:47:13,030 --> 02:47:09,200
all of it in real time going back to

4085
02:47:14,710 --> 02:47:13,040
your water tower example and and i i

4086
02:47:17,349 --> 02:47:14,720
have seen

4087
02:47:19,349 --> 02:47:17,359
uh remote viewing done

4088
02:47:22,150 --> 02:47:19,359
with two different cameras one on

4089
02:47:25,429 --> 02:47:22,160
location one while the session is going

4090
02:47:27,190 --> 02:47:25,439
on and watching it in in real time

4091
02:47:28,389 --> 02:47:27,200
locked uh

4092
02:47:29,830 --> 02:47:28,399
with uh

4093
02:47:32,309 --> 02:47:29,840
timestamps

4094
02:47:33,670 --> 02:47:32,319
and it's very very interesting if that

4095
02:47:37,670 --> 02:47:33,680
is possible

4096
02:47:39,830 --> 02:47:37,680
then couldn't you remote view a mind

4097
02:47:41,429 --> 02:47:39,840
could you remote view what somebody is

4098
02:47:43,750 --> 02:47:41,439
thinking

4099
02:47:45,190 --> 02:47:43,760
and not i'm not talking about esp or

4100
02:47:48,309 --> 02:47:45,200
telepathy

4101
02:47:50,230 --> 02:47:48,319
i'm just can you remote view inside

4102
02:47:52,950 --> 02:47:50,240
somebody's head

4103
02:47:55,110 --> 02:47:52,960
why isn't that telepathy

4104
02:47:57,429 --> 02:47:55,120
well that's i always equate that as

4105
02:47:58,710 --> 02:47:57,439
communication

4106
02:48:00,469 --> 02:47:58,720
well

4107
02:48:02,550 --> 02:48:00,479
yeah i mean

4108
02:48:04,150 --> 02:48:02,560
we can talk fuzzily about this and say

4109
02:48:06,150 --> 02:48:04,160
well everything's communication right

4110
02:48:09,269 --> 02:48:06,160
that conveys information but

4111
02:48:11,750 --> 02:48:09,279
but but whatever that notwithstanding uh

4112
02:48:14,389 --> 02:48:11,760
if you're obtaining someone's in uh

4113
02:48:15,429 --> 02:48:14,399
mental contents

4114
02:48:17,670 --> 02:48:15,439
well

4115
02:48:19,510 --> 02:48:17,680
this is a this this is a big can of

4116
02:48:21,590 --> 02:48:19,520
worms here right some people will deny

4117
02:48:23,830 --> 02:48:21,600
that that telepathy exists that it's

4118
02:48:25,510 --> 02:48:23,840
just all non-local perception

4119
02:48:27,670 --> 02:48:25,520
right um

4120
02:48:29,670 --> 02:48:27,680
non-local well i won't get into that

4121
02:48:32,070 --> 02:48:29,680
that's a whole nother thing but uh it's

4122
02:48:33,590 --> 02:48:32,080
all non-local perception remote viewing

4123
02:48:35,590 --> 02:48:33,600
telepathy

4124
02:48:37,429 --> 02:48:35,600
uh clairvoyance you know all these

4125
02:48:39,830 --> 02:48:37,439
different things are just branches off

4126
02:48:41,670 --> 02:48:39,840
of the same underlying faculty generally

4127
02:48:43,269 --> 02:48:41,680
i kind of accept that you don't really

4128
02:48:45,190 --> 02:48:43,279
have telepathy you just have a different

4129
02:48:45,990 --> 02:48:45,200
kind of non-local perception

4130
02:48:47,510 --> 02:48:46,000
so

4131
02:48:49,510 --> 02:48:47,520
but it's really convenient to think in

4132
02:48:52,389 --> 02:48:49,520
terms of telepathy but if you're going

4133
02:48:54,150 --> 02:48:52,399
to remote view

4134
02:48:55,990 --> 02:48:54,160
there's nothing there to see right if

4135
02:48:58,150 --> 02:48:56,000
you're trying to remote view in a visual

4136
02:48:59,830 --> 02:48:58,160
sense because someone comes in

4137
02:49:01,590 --> 02:48:59,840
somebody's mind there's nothing there to

4138
02:49:03,750 --> 02:49:01,600
see it's just a bunch of gooey blobs of

4139
02:49:04,950 --> 02:49:03,760
stuff stuck together with filaments of

4140
02:49:07,830 --> 02:49:04,960
nerves right

4141
02:49:09,670 --> 02:49:07,840
um what's actually of interest is stuff

4142
02:49:12,230 --> 02:49:09,680
that you can't see

4143
02:49:14,870 --> 02:49:12,240
and so at that point it almost becomes

4144
02:49:17,510 --> 02:49:14,880
telepathy whatever that word actually

4145
02:49:18,710 --> 02:49:17,520
means it's accessing someone's mental

4146
02:49:20,870 --> 02:49:18,720
content

4147
02:49:22,710 --> 02:49:20,880
and maybe them accessing yours in an

4148
02:49:27,429 --> 02:49:22,720
exchange of information

4149
02:49:29,190 --> 02:49:27,439
uh for instance uh looking into

4150
02:49:30,950 --> 02:49:29,200
a state actor

4151
02:49:33,110 --> 02:49:30,960
whoever it may be

4152
02:49:36,790 --> 02:49:33,120
and what their intentions are

4153
02:49:38,830 --> 02:49:36,800
in an event right or criminals next

4154
02:49:41,750 --> 02:49:38,840
victim for

4155
02:49:43,510 --> 02:49:41,760
instance yeah i mean that's a little

4156
02:49:45,429 --> 02:49:43,520
story because for example criminals next

4157
02:49:47,510 --> 02:49:45,439
victim you don't need to get inside the

4158
02:49:49,510 --> 02:49:47,520
criminal's head for that you can remote

4159
02:49:51,910 --> 02:49:49,520
view slightly into the future and

4160
02:49:53,269 --> 02:49:51,920
describe the individual the criminal is

4161
02:49:55,349 --> 02:49:53,279
is

4162
02:49:56,950 --> 02:49:55,359
going to attack right right so that's a

4163
02:49:59,670 --> 02:49:56,960
straight relatively straightforward

4164
02:50:01,750 --> 02:49:59,680
remote viewing task now intentions those

4165
02:50:03,110 --> 02:50:01,760
are obviously internally contained and

4166
02:50:05,590 --> 02:50:03,120
right and

4167
02:50:07,349 --> 02:50:05,600
you it is possible through remote

4168
02:50:08,469 --> 02:50:07,359
viewing even if it's not technically

4169
02:50:09,990 --> 02:50:08,479
world viewing

4170
02:50:11,830 --> 02:50:10,000
to pick up on

4171
02:50:14,870 --> 02:50:11,840
on mental content so i mean we've done

4172
02:50:16,790 --> 02:50:14,880
it before on a number of occasions

4173
02:50:18,710 --> 02:50:16,800
i teach my students how to do it in a

4174
02:50:20,150 --> 02:50:18,720
very basic kind of a way

4175
02:50:21,910 --> 02:50:20,160
and

4176
02:50:23,110 --> 02:50:21,920
oftentimes you can't you don't know

4177
02:50:24,550 --> 02:50:23,120
because you can't get feedback from

4178
02:50:26,230 --> 02:50:24,560
inside somebody's mind unless they tell

4179
02:50:28,230 --> 02:50:26,240
you right or unless you see that

4180
02:50:30,309 --> 02:50:28,240
intention unfold in real life but here's

4181
02:50:32,790 --> 02:50:30,319
the tricky thing with intentions is that

4182
02:50:34,790 --> 02:50:32,800
people have all kinds of intentions but

4183
02:50:37,110 --> 02:50:34,800
they don't necessarily realize all of

4184
02:50:38,710 --> 02:50:37,120
them so for example you want to you want

4185
02:50:40,630 --> 02:50:38,720
to remove you the next terrorist attack

4186
02:50:41,830 --> 02:50:40,640
you want to get inside the minds of the

4187
02:50:43,030 --> 02:50:41,840
terrorists that are going to stage the

4188
02:50:44,950 --> 02:50:43,040
attack you want to pick up on their

4189
02:50:46,870 --> 02:50:44,960
intentions well at that point they may

4190
02:50:49,110 --> 02:50:46,880
actually have an intention to attack say

4191
02:50:50,870 --> 02:50:49,120
a shopping mall and shoot a bunch of

4192
02:50:52,230 --> 02:50:50,880
people or whatever right that may be

4193
02:50:54,389 --> 02:50:52,240
their intention

4194
02:50:55,190 --> 02:50:54,399
but then it doesn't happen

4195
02:50:56,870 --> 02:50:55,200
and

4196
02:50:58,230 --> 02:50:56,880
you say oh i must have been wrong well

4197
02:51:00,230 --> 02:50:58,240
no maybe you did pick up their

4198
02:51:02,150 --> 02:51:00,240
intentions but something happened to

4199
02:51:03,670 --> 02:51:02,160
change those intentions

4200
02:51:05,349 --> 02:51:03,680
and they either did something else or

4201
02:51:07,190 --> 02:51:05,359
decided not to do that for whatever

4202
02:51:09,750 --> 02:51:07,200
reason right so

4203
02:51:11,990 --> 02:51:09,760
um intentionality in general is a is a

4204
02:51:14,150 --> 02:51:12,000
squishy thing to try and capture even

4205
02:51:15,910 --> 02:51:14,160
our own intentionality right because

4206
02:51:18,389 --> 02:51:15,920
we're always changing our minds and our

4207
02:51:21,349 --> 02:51:18,399
intentions as well

4208
02:51:23,030 --> 02:51:21,359
but you know it's worth trying if you

4209
02:51:24,550 --> 02:51:23,040
like for example what son was saying

4210
02:51:25,830 --> 02:51:24,560
going to be up to you know back during

4211
02:51:28,150 --> 02:51:25,840
the gulf war

4212
02:51:30,469 --> 02:51:28,160
uh it's worth trying because you may

4213
02:51:32,469 --> 02:51:30,479
pick something up that then you can

4214
02:51:34,710 --> 02:51:32,479
operationalize but

4215
02:51:36,870 --> 02:51:34,720
you have to be careful not laying too

4216
02:51:39,110 --> 02:51:36,880
much weight on what you get you know you

4217
02:51:41,349 --> 02:51:39,120
have to try and get as much additional

4218
02:51:43,510 --> 02:51:41,359
corroborating information as you can

4219
02:51:46,710 --> 02:51:43,520
i've had

4220
02:51:49,670 --> 02:51:46,720
a few remote viewers uh

4221
02:51:52,230 --> 02:51:49,680
tell me that they can remote view uh

4222
02:51:54,870 --> 02:51:52,240
alien craft in the in the inside of

4223
02:51:56,070 --> 02:51:54,880
flying saucers i'm sure you've heard the

4224
02:51:58,710 --> 02:51:56,080
same thing

4225
02:51:59,510 --> 02:51:58,720
and i've done it but you've you've done

4226
02:52:04,870 --> 02:51:59,520
it

4227
02:52:07,910 --> 02:52:04,880
finish your question okay

4228
02:52:09,590 --> 02:52:07,920
well now i want to go there thanks yeah

4229
02:52:12,309 --> 02:52:09,600
i don't know there's not much there but

4230
02:52:15,030 --> 02:52:12,319
go ahead okay yeah but with with the

4231
02:52:17,910 --> 02:52:15,040
case of something like omua moa

4232
02:52:20,309 --> 02:52:17,920
where that's a perfect application for

4233
02:52:22,630 --> 02:52:20,319
remote viewing and you could

4234
02:52:25,030 --> 02:52:22,640
jump on that quickly enough

4235
02:52:27,110 --> 02:52:25,040
where a remote viewer wouldn't have any

4236
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:27,120
clue there wouldn't be any front loading

4237
02:52:29,670 --> 02:52:28,960
there wouldn't be any fantasy involved

4238
02:52:31,670 --> 02:52:29,680
there

4239
02:52:35,670 --> 02:52:31,680
but certainly we would like to know what

4240
02:52:38,710 --> 02:52:35,680
uh if omumu was natural or if it's in et

4241
02:52:40,469 --> 02:52:38,720
technology right or where it came from

4242
02:52:42,710 --> 02:52:40,479
yeah right isn't that the perfect

4243
02:52:45,030 --> 02:52:42,720
application and and

4244
02:52:46,870 --> 02:52:45,040
yes has it been done right yeah i mean

4245
02:52:48,870 --> 02:52:46,880
you might you might be able to confirm

4246
02:52:50,790 --> 02:52:48,880
an extraterrestrial well it's

4247
02:52:52,309 --> 02:52:50,800
extraterrestrial no matter how you look

4248
02:52:54,309 --> 02:52:52,319
at it the question is whether it's

4249
02:52:57,269 --> 02:52:54,319
naturally extraterrestrial or are

4250
02:52:59,269 --> 02:52:57,279
factually extraterrestrial right and and

4251
02:53:01,510 --> 02:52:59,279
yes that would be a great application

4252
02:53:03,190 --> 02:53:01,520
for remote viewing now again unless you

4253
02:53:04,389 --> 02:53:03,200
can actually land on it you may not be

4254
02:53:07,269 --> 02:53:04,399
able to

4255
02:53:10,630 --> 02:53:07,279
validate your your perceptions but

4256
02:53:12,309 --> 02:53:10,640
uh but it could add to the knowledge

4257
02:53:14,389 --> 02:53:12,319
base on it and in fact it might even

4258
02:53:16,389 --> 02:53:14,399
serve as often happened with viewing in

4259
02:53:18,550 --> 02:53:16,399
the military could serve as a queuing

4260
02:53:21,510 --> 02:53:18,560
mechanism the remote viewer produces

4261
02:53:24,790 --> 02:53:21,520
information that they can't confirm

4262
02:53:26,469 --> 02:53:24,800
but it suggests a way of

4263
02:53:28,389 --> 02:53:26,479
examining whatever it is they're trying

4264
02:53:30,790 --> 02:53:28,399
to examine that they hadn't thought of

4265
02:53:33,349 --> 02:53:30,800
before and then maybe that does confirm

4266
02:53:35,030 --> 02:53:33,359
the removing information ultimately so

4267
02:53:37,750 --> 02:53:35,040
yeah it could be it could be useful in a

4268
02:53:40,150 --> 02:53:37,760
case like that now uh one of the other

4269
02:53:42,469 --> 02:53:40,160
things and i meant to ask you about this

4270
02:53:44,790 --> 02:53:42,479
but now you're on the show uh

4271
02:53:46,070 --> 02:53:44,800
but so you're not going to yeah i was

4272
02:53:48,309 --> 02:53:46,080
asking about this

4273
02:53:51,429 --> 02:53:48,319
this weekend which is i think one of the

4274
02:53:52,550 --> 02:53:51,439
most fantastic applications for remote

4275
02:53:54,469 --> 02:53:52,560
viewing

4276
02:53:55,830 --> 02:53:54,479
would be asteroids

4277
02:53:57,910 --> 02:53:55,840
and impacts

4278
02:54:01,670 --> 02:53:57,920
and future events

4279
02:54:04,550 --> 02:54:01,680
right is this something that maybe nasa

4280
02:54:06,870 --> 02:54:04,560
would be interested in certainly the

4281
02:54:08,950 --> 02:54:06,880
planet would benefit from it

4282
02:54:11,670 --> 02:54:08,960
but future events

4283
02:54:14,550 --> 02:54:11,680
and and the reason why i'm going there

4284
02:54:17,030 --> 02:54:14,560
is if we go back to like nibiru and we

4285
02:54:19,670 --> 02:54:17,040
look at sitchins you know research and

4286
02:54:22,469 --> 02:54:19,680
things that uh discussed all of the you

4287
02:54:24,870 --> 02:54:22,479
know uh impacts and planets and

4288
02:54:25,990 --> 02:54:24,880
the asteroid belt and how we got here

4289
02:54:27,990 --> 02:54:26,000
and and

4290
02:54:29,349 --> 02:54:28,000
all of this right

4291
02:54:31,910 --> 02:54:29,359
um

4292
02:54:36,070 --> 02:54:31,920
wouldn't et

4293
02:54:37,750 --> 02:54:36,080
know about a possible future event

4294
02:54:40,070 --> 02:54:37,760
that would be

4295
02:54:41,590 --> 02:54:40,080
another mass extinction situation for

4296
02:54:44,150 --> 02:54:41,600
this planet

4297
02:54:45,750 --> 02:54:44,160
well shouldn't we apply that same

4298
02:54:48,230 --> 02:54:45,760
mindset to

4299
02:54:51,190 --> 02:54:48,240
to asteroids and

4300
02:54:54,550 --> 02:54:51,200
because nasa seems to only know about

4301
02:54:57,190 --> 02:54:54,560
the the bad stuff after the asteroid

4302
02:54:59,990 --> 02:54:57,200
passes the planet

4303
02:55:01,670 --> 02:55:00,000
well that's a little extreme i mean they

4304
02:55:03,670 --> 02:55:01,680
they at least know about some of the

4305
02:55:06,070 --> 02:55:03,680
near-earth uh

4306
02:55:07,030 --> 02:55:06,080
uh what do they call them uh mirror the

4307
02:55:11,590 --> 02:55:07,040
object

4308
02:55:13,910 --> 02:55:11,600
give a probability of it hitting

4309
02:55:15,429 --> 02:55:13,920
to whatever degree of of

4310
02:55:18,230 --> 02:55:15,439
you know their variables did you know

4311
02:55:22,309 --> 02:55:18,240
that last week we had a

4312
02:55:24,590 --> 02:55:22,319
a a school bus sized asteroid which is

4313
02:55:28,150 --> 02:55:24,600
bad news yes

4314
02:55:30,070 --> 02:55:28,160
1700 miles from earth there's been a

4315
02:55:31,990 --> 02:55:30,080
number of these near misses that nasa

4316
02:55:34,389 --> 02:55:32,000
didn't know about right i'm just saying

4317
02:55:36,710 --> 02:55:34,399
they're not totally useless right they

4318
02:55:38,150 --> 02:55:36,720
do they have catalogued a bunch of them

4319
02:55:40,230 --> 02:55:38,160
that we probably ought need to worry

4320
02:55:41,910 --> 02:55:40,240
about at some point but they we keep

4321
02:55:44,070 --> 02:55:41,920
getting just missed by some that they

4322
02:55:46,309 --> 02:55:44,080
didn't know about and i don't blame them

4323
02:55:47,590 --> 02:55:46,319
our detection means is still primitive

4324
02:55:49,110 --> 02:55:47,600
generally speaking

4325
02:55:51,190 --> 02:55:49,120
i mean but a hundred years ago we didn't

4326
02:55:52,870 --> 02:55:51,200
even know about those right

4327
02:55:54,469 --> 02:55:52,880
yeah we didn't know if we'd been near

4328
02:55:56,469 --> 02:55:54,479
missed or not when you get right down to

4329
02:55:58,309 --> 02:55:56,479
it so but can we

4330
02:56:01,349 --> 02:55:58,319
the question is is can remote viewing be

4331
02:56:03,750 --> 02:56:01,359
used to help with that and i would say

4332
02:56:05,349 --> 02:56:03,760
yes cautiously this is a little bit

4333
02:56:06,870 --> 02:56:05,359
trickier a deal partly because you're

4334
02:56:08,950 --> 02:56:06,880
dealing with um

4335
02:56:11,349 --> 02:56:08,960
with future prediction here which as

4336
02:56:12,950 --> 02:56:11,359
i've noted remote viewing is not

4337
02:56:14,150 --> 02:56:12,960
not perfect at by any stretch of

4338
02:56:15,590 --> 02:56:14,160
imagination

4339
02:56:17,910 --> 02:56:15,600
um

4340
02:56:19,590 --> 02:56:17,920
now to get probably a little too

4341
02:56:21,349 --> 02:56:19,600
technical but uh

4342
02:56:22,790 --> 02:56:21,359
but whether an astronaut hits the

4343
02:56:24,389 --> 02:56:22,800
asteroid

4344
02:56:26,469 --> 02:56:24,399
astronaut says the earth all the time

4345
02:56:29,429 --> 02:56:26,479
whether an asteroid hits the earth or

4346
02:56:30,469 --> 02:56:29,439
not it is pretty much a is probabilistic

4347
02:56:32,790 --> 02:56:30,479
but it's

4348
02:56:34,230 --> 02:56:32,800
closes in on being deterministic right

4349
02:56:35,990 --> 02:56:34,240
in other words

4350
02:56:38,550 --> 02:56:36,000
if an astronaut is

4351
02:56:41,269 --> 02:56:38,560
jeez if an asteroid so that's what we

4352
02:56:42,389 --> 02:56:41,279
get for going into uh over time yeah

4353
02:56:44,550 --> 02:56:42,399
right yeah

4354
02:56:45,670 --> 02:56:44,560
so if an asteroid

4355
02:56:54,790 --> 02:56:45,680
is

4356
02:56:56,630 --> 02:56:54,800
outcome and those have the highest

4357
02:56:57,349 --> 02:56:56,640
likelihood of remote viewers being able

4358
02:57:02,870 --> 02:56:57,359
to

4359
02:57:05,110 --> 02:57:02,880
deterministic outcomes deterministic

4360
02:57:07,349 --> 02:57:05,120
outcomes seem to be a little bit more

4361
02:57:09,190 --> 02:57:07,359
easy to predict in the future but the

4362
02:57:11,670 --> 02:57:09,200
problem is you have to know what

4363
02:57:14,070 --> 02:57:11,680
asteroid to focus the remote viewer on

4364
02:57:15,750 --> 02:57:14,080
because you say well go out and find an

4365
02:57:17,590 --> 02:57:15,760
asteroid that's going to hit the earth

4366
02:57:19,190 --> 02:57:17,600
they could find one that's several

4367
02:57:20,630 --> 02:57:19,200
million miles away and beyond our

4368
02:57:23,429 --> 02:57:20,640
detection range

4369
02:57:25,590 --> 02:57:23,439
and that does us no good at all

4370
02:57:27,349 --> 02:57:25,600
right because yeah that's one asteroid

4371
02:57:30,790 --> 02:57:27,359
looks like another pretty much and and

4372
02:57:32,469 --> 02:57:30,800
we won't know until maybe 50 years it

4373
02:57:34,150 --> 02:57:32,479
gets within range and

4374
02:57:35,349 --> 02:57:34,160
you know by then we still won't know if

4375
02:57:37,510 --> 02:57:35,359
it's the one that remove your remote

4376
02:57:39,590 --> 02:57:37,520
viewed so there's problems with it but

4377
02:57:41,750 --> 02:57:39,600
in principle remote viewing might be

4378
02:57:44,389 --> 02:57:41,760
helpful if it's done right now

4379
02:57:46,150 --> 02:57:44,399
if somebody wants to learn how to remote

4380
02:57:49,030 --> 02:57:46,160
view i want to thank you for coming on

4381
02:57:50,870 --> 02:57:49,040
the show tonight what do they do

4382
02:57:53,110 --> 02:57:50,880
well i'd say

4383
02:57:55,830 --> 02:57:53,120
i teach a fully leaded live in person

4384
02:57:57,670 --> 02:57:55,840
class and it's fairly expensive but if

4385
02:57:59,670 --> 02:57:57,680
you want to start off i suggest you get

4386
02:58:01,269 --> 02:57:59,680
my book the essential guide to remote

4387
02:58:03,190 --> 02:58:01,279
viewing

4388
02:58:05,030 --> 02:58:03,200
that is intended to introduce folks to

4389
02:58:06,550 --> 02:58:05,040
remote viewing it's kind of a survey

4390
02:58:08,389 --> 02:58:06,560
course and there are a couple of

4391
02:58:10,950 --> 02:58:08,399
chapters in there that tell you how to

4392
02:58:13,269 --> 02:58:10,960
do it yourself with at just the basic

4393
02:58:15,110 --> 02:58:13,279
level okay but i talk about where it

4394
02:58:16,389 --> 02:58:15,120
came from i talk about

4395
02:58:18,630 --> 02:58:16,399
things that have been done with remote

4396
02:58:20,710 --> 02:58:18,640
viewing i talk about ways people apply

4397
02:58:22,150 --> 02:58:20,720
it i talk about even picking the right

4398
02:58:23,590 --> 02:58:22,160
teacher for you if you decide you want

4399
02:58:25,670 --> 02:58:23,600
to go and learn it

4400
02:58:27,190 --> 02:58:25,680
and it's even better for people who have

4401
02:58:28,710 --> 02:58:27,200
friends that people who are remote

4402
02:58:30,389 --> 02:58:28,720
viewers have friends or family who are

4403
02:58:32,950 --> 02:58:30,399
dubious because this book is a

4404
02:58:35,349 --> 02:58:32,960
no-nonsense this is

4405
02:58:37,670 --> 02:58:35,359
this is what remote viewing is and i i

4406
02:58:39,510 --> 02:58:37,680
actually don't go into youtube or ufos

4407
02:58:41,030 --> 02:58:39,520
and aliens in this book

4408
02:58:42,630 --> 02:58:41,040
because i don't want it to freak people

4409
02:58:46,309 --> 02:58:42,640
out right i want it to be an

4410
02:58:49,429 --> 02:58:46,319
introduction so well i just got the book

4411
02:58:50,790 --> 02:58:49,439
and i can't wait uh to do the deep dive

4412
02:58:54,309 --> 02:58:50,800
into it

4413
02:58:56,550 --> 02:58:54,319
everybody that listens to this show uh

4414
02:58:59,110 --> 02:58:56,560
has heard me say over the last 10 years

4415
02:59:00,550 --> 02:58:59,120
or so that this is something that i want

4416
02:59:03,750 --> 02:59:00,560
to learn to do

4417
02:59:06,550 --> 02:59:03,760
i haven't had the time now i've got uh

4418
02:59:09,269 --> 02:59:06,560
the inspiration and i've got the book so

4419
02:59:11,429 --> 02:59:09,279
i look forward to the deep dive paul i

4420
02:59:12,870 --> 02:59:11,439
can't wait for you uh to come back on

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the show and we can

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continue this discussion next time today

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we did everything next time we'll focus

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on one subject and and we'll just just

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go hard this has just been amazing thank

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you so much my friend well thank you

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that's been fun i i can't believe that

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both of us are standing on two feet

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right now after this weekend and we're

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able to do a show tonight because it was

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just non-stop and it was it was just

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great thank you so much you betcha it

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was and i look forward to the next time

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paul smith and again uh the website is

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right there jimmy churchradio.com

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ourviewer.com with that i'm going to get

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out of here and i want to remind

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everybody what is going on this week

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because it is first time guests week

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tonight paul smith tomorrow night steve

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bird wednesday night

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sarah bressman cosme is with us and then

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of course thursday night is the world

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premiere of the observers i'm your host

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jimmy church what a great night on the

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show and we're going to continue all of

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throughout the week fade to black is

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church tomorrow night actor comedian

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steve berg right here until then i want

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